Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? - Dodge Dakota Forum

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Jag Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/05/2004 22:25:55	Subject: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? IP: Logged Message: I am getting a bit of oil usage on my 5.9 - V8 since I switched to synthetic 5w40. I some usage normal for these trucks? Looks like I will go through a quart by 3k miles. Mobile 1 5w-40
DAHEMIKOTA Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/06/2004 00:15:07	RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? IP: Logged Message: Look down the throttle body for oil on the floor of the intake. The belly pan may be leaking. Using synthetics sould not cause the engine to start using oil. The barrel intakes are known to leak oil. If Sephiroth reads this post he will most likely find something wrong with it, so just ignore him.(read the post about trans noise)
Jag Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/06/2004 10:55:44	RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? IP: Logged Message: Thanks for the replay. I assume you are talking about the intake gasket leaking? Intake floor (from looking down the throttle body) looks clean.
daffydak GenIII 7/06/2004 11:21:02	RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? IP: Logged Message: whats your mileage?? you should try using synthetic 10W-30 or 10w-40 if you have higher mileage... just my .02 Dan MOPAR=More Power!!
CharlieP Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/06/2004 15:50:14	RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? IP: Logged Message: The jury is still out on the mobil 5W-40. So far from what I read it holds up best in the 4 cylinder suv's and the turbo suv's.
hh Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/06/2004 16:13:50	RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? IP: Logged Message: I thought the 40 wt oils were for diesels. Maybe it is too thick for your gas engine.
Jag Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/06/2004 20:05:35	RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? IP: Logged Message: I was of the understanding that heavier weight oils were less likely to burn then light weight oils. Remember putting 40 & 50 weight in the old wore out 305, 318, & 350s, etc? I have 2k miles on the oil now and it is looking fairly dirty. I was planning on changing between 4-5k miles, but I may drop it to around 3k miles. Anyone have any compression numbers? I might throw the gauge on there and see what I have.
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 7/07/2004 08:46:47	Amsoil Dealer = Free Amsoil Catalog = Amzoil IP: Logged Message: Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oil? Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog! Mobil1 5w-40 is relabeled Delvac 1 5w-40, which was available prior to this only in quantity as a "fleet oil", ... available in the heavy duty oil section or at truck-stop type facilities. It is a very good oil. However, though Delvac 1 is excellent, the additive chemistry is really optimized for use in Heavy Duty (HD) diesel engines. If you continue to have consumption problems, you might want to try an oil with better shear-stability, or a higher NOVAK number, ... or, if you want to continue using this oil ... simply "top-off" with 1 quart of Mobil1 15w-50. __________________________________________________ Question, Why are you running a 40 wt. oil that is really optimized for use in Heavy Duty (HD) diesel engines? Were you having consumption problems running a 30 wt. oil? I am quite certain that your owners manual recommends a 30wt. oil. A 40 wt. oil will negatively affect your mileage due to it's thicker viscosity ... and if you don't need the thicker wt. (i.e. very hot climate, towing, or lots of hill climbing, etc.), you should stick within the manufacturers guidelines. __________________________________________________ Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
Jag Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/08/2004 09:45:49	RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? IP: Logged Message: I use the heavier oil because I pull a boat around almost every weekend. Plus, I live in a hotter region of the country then most (north Florida) If I am getting some usage with 40weight...would it increase with 30 weight. Synthetics are more likely to burn then dino oil, correct?
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 7/08/2004 10:31:26	Amsoil Dealer = Free Amsoil Catalog = Amzoil IP: Logged Message: No, Synthetics are NOT more likely to burn than dino oil. If you just switched from dino to synthetic you may see some early consumption issues but it should settle down after a short period of time. My suggestion is still the same ... monitor your oil level, and "top-off" with Mobil1 15w-50 until your consumption issue is gone. Next change you can simply use the 5w-40. __________________________________________________ Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
Jag Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/08/2004 13:43:42	RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? IP: Logged Message: How can you mix different weight oils like that? I didn't know you could do that? So if I have a 6 qt. capacity I would use 5 of 5w40 and 1 of 15w50? What difference would this make?
candak Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/08/2004 15:05:01	RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? IP: Logged Message: - don't quote me, but I believe that there are additives in straight oil that keep the gaskets in good condition which the synthetics do not; and I run 20/50 in the summer, 15/40 in the winter- it's a high mileage 318tb- so far so good.
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 7/08/2004 15:54:28	Amsoil Dealer = Free Amsoil Catalog = Amzoil IP: Logged Message: Yes, you can mix "some" oil combinations ... not all ... because the additives package may not be complimentary. 5 qts of 5w-40 and 1 quart of 15w-50. Trust me ... it has a 90% success rate in fixing your problem. __________________________________________________ Let's put to bed some of the objections you will hear concerning the use of synthetic engine lubricants (some are old debates ... some are new): (Your concern is answered in Myth #10) Myth #1: Synthetic motor oils damage seals Untrue. It would be foolhardy for lubricant manufacturers to build a product that is incompatible with seals. The composition of seals presents problems that both petroleum oils and synthetics must overcome. Made from elastomers, seals are inherently difficult to standardize. Ultimately it is the additive mix in the oil that counts. Additives to control seal swell, shrinkage and hardening are required, whether it be a synthetic or petroleum product that is being produced. Myth #2: Synthetics are too thin to stay in the engine Untrue. In order for a lubricant to be classified in any SAE grade (10W-30, 10W-40, etc) it has to meet certain guidelines with regard to viscosity ("thickness"). For example, it makes no difference whether it is 10W-40 petroleum or 10W-40 synthetic, at -25 degrees centigrade (-13F) and 100 degrees centigrade (212 degrees F) that oil has to maintain a standardized viscosity or it can't be rated a 10W-40. Myth #3: Synthetics cause cars to use more oil Untrue. Synthetic motor oils are intended to use in mechanically sound engines, that is, engines that don't leak. In such engines oil consumption will actually be reduced. First, because of the lower volatility of synlubes. Second, because of the better sealing characteristics between piston rings and cylinder walls. And finally, because of the superior oxidation stability (i.e. resistance of synthetics against reacting with oxygen at high temperatures.) Myth #4: Synthetic lubricants are not compatible with petroleum Untrue. The synthesized hydrocarbons, polyalphaolefins, diesters and other materials that form the base stocks of high quality name brand synthetics are fully compatible with petroleum oils. In the old days, some companies used untested ingredients that were not compatible, causing quality synthetic lubricants to suffer a bad reputation. Fortunately, those days are long gone. Compatibility is something to keep in mind, however, whether using petroleum oils or synthetics. It is usually best to use the same oil for topping off that you have been running in the engine. That is, it is preferable to not mix your oils, even if it is Valvoline or Quaker State you are using. The reason is this: the functions of additives blended for specific characteristics can be offset when oils with different additive packages are put together. For optimal performance, it is better to use the same oil throughout. Myth #5: Synthetic lubricants produce sludge Untrue. In point of fact, synthetic motor oils are more sludge resistant than their petroleum counterparts, resisting the effects of high temperatures and oxidation. In the presence of high temperatures, two things happen. First, an oil's lighter ingredients boil off, making the oil thicker. Second, many of the complex chemicals found naturally in petroleum base stocks begin to react with each other, forming sludge, gums and varnishes. One result is a loss of fluidity at low temperatures, slowing the timely flow of oil to the engine for vital engine protection. Further negative effects of thickened oil include the restriction of oil flow to critical areas, greater wear and loss of fuel economy. Because of their higher flash points, and their ability to withstand evaporation loss and oxidation, synthetics are much more resistant to sludge development. Myth #6: Synthetics can't be used with catalytic converters or oxygen sensors Untrue. In fact the very low ash content of synthetics will extend the life of every exhaust system component. Myth #7: Synthetics void warranties Untrue. No major manufacturer of automobiles specifically bans the use of synthetic lubricants. In point of fact, increasing numbers of high performance cars are arriving on the showroom floors with synthetic motor oils as factory fill. Which may not make the dealers too happy since oil changes usually lead to other service work. Myth #8: Synthetics last forever Untrue. Although some experts feel that synthetic base stocks themselves can be used forever, it is well known that eventually the additives will falter and cause the oil to require changing. However, by "topping off", additives can be replenished. Through good filtration and periodic oil analysis, synthetic motor oils protect an engine for lengths of time far beyond the capability of non synthetics. Amsoil's unique additives packages allow for extended drain intervals. Myth #9: Synthetics are too expensive Untrue. Tests and experience have proven that synthetics can greatly extend drain intervals, provide better fuel economy, reduce engine wear and enable vehicles to operate with greater reliability. All these elements combine to make synthetic engine lubricants more economical than conventional non synthetics. In Europe, synthetics have enjoyed increasing acceptance as car buyers look first to performance and long term value rather than initial price. As more sophisticated technology places greater demands on today's motor oils, we will no doubt see an increasing re-evaluation of oil buying habits in this country as well. Myth #10: Synthetic oils contain detergents that can make the oil seals leak in older cars Synthetic lubricants do have an inherent detergency that cleans and removes conventional motor oil deposits left over in an engine. However, ALL motor oils are designed to help swell seals slightly to prevent leakage. The only time you would observe seal leakage is if the seals are already damaged or showing signs of leakage around them. As long as the vehicle has been well maintained, and in good mechanical condition, it can be switched to a synthetic lubricant at any mileage. __________________________________________________ There are other MYTHS and non-truths circulating the forums, garages, and race tracks. The nine above are just a few that I wanted to address. Conclusions Since their inception, manufacturers of synthetic motor oils have sought to educate the public about the facts regarding synthetics, and the need for consumers to make their lubrication purchasing decisions based on quality rather than price. As was the case with microwave ovens or electric lights, a highly technological improvement must often overcome a fair amount of public skepticism and consumer inertia before it is embraced by the general population. But the word has been getting out as a growing number of motorists worldwide experience the benefits of synthetic lubrication. The wave of the future, in automobile lubrication, is here, and Amsoil has lead the march, recently celebrating their 30th year in business. For the environmental enthusiasts, the use of synthetics could reduce waste oil disposal by 80%, so if environment is your thing, then synthetic lubricants should be your choice. -------------------------------------------------- You can Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog by clicking the following link. Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 7/08/2004 15:59:55	Amsoil Dealer = Free Amsoil Catalog = Amzoil IP: Logged Message: Looking for Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oil? Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog! __________________________________________________ Synthetic lubricants do have an inherent detergency that cleans and removes conventional motor oil deposits (sometimes referred to as crud) left over in an engine. Repeat: ALL motor oils are designed to help swell seals slightly to prevent leakage. The only time you would observe seal leakage is if the seals are already damaged or showing signs of leakage around them. As long as the vehicle has been well maintained, and in good mechanical condition, it can be switched to a synthetic lubricant at any mileage. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Any seal leakage when switching from conventional "dino" to synthetic in higher mileage vehicles is usually due to the fact that the seals were already damaged and simply filled with "crud". True - the detergency in synthetics cleaned the sludge --- and the problem (which already existed) becomes evident. This is mostly in older vehicles since seal materials are better in modern engines. __________________________________________________ Seal Compatibility AMSOIL lubricants are all tested for seal compatibility with all the seal materials in use with industry accepted testing methods. AMSOIL Products will not damage seals or be more prone to leaking than petroleum products when used in vehicles with undamaged seals. Unfortunately, high mileage vehicles and equipment that have been using petroleum lubricants for long periods of time face the risk that sludge and deposits have built up in the engine and created a false seal, and the seal itself has dried out and cracked or shrunk. Lubricants help condition seals, keeping them supple and slightly swelled to insure a proper seal with no leaks. When covered with sludge or deposits, the seal will deteriorate. Now you start using AMSOIL motor oil with it’s high quality additive package and natural detergency, and you start to clean up the engine. The false seal is cleaned away, and if the seal itself has become cracked or damaged, a leak will develop. The same thing occurs in transmissions and differentials. Because of this, many people think that synthetic oil is more prone to leaking, when all it really is doing is revealing the problem that petroleum oil deposits had created and kept hidden. Once the damaged seals are properly replaced, keep using the synthetic oil and they won’t leak again. __________________________________________________ Looking for Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oil? Request a FREE Amsoil Catalog! Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
EyeRip Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/08/2004 18:02:00	RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? IP: Logged Message: Myth #10: Amsiol is not a spinoff of amway.
EKASEY Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/08/2004 21:02:57	RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? IP: Logged Message: SHUT THE F^CK UP AMS OIL SUCKS @$$ I HAVE SEEN IT BE THE CASUE OF 40+ MOTOR FAILURES
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 7/09/2004 06:43:40	Amsoil Dealer = Free Amsoil Catalog = Amzoil IP: Logged Message: Just because our name is "Amsoil" does NOT mean that we are in any way associated with Amway. Amsoil got it's name because the founder's nickname when he was a fighter pilot was "ammo" ... so when he started marketing oil his friends called the oil "ammo's oil? which was later shortened to Amsoil. Write that down somewhere so that you don't forget. __________________________________________________ EKASEY, I refuse to defend Amsoil against your blatant and silly lies. __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
EyeRip Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/09/2004 18:03:01	RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? IP: Logged Message: Is ammo needing health supplements now? Maybe thats why amsiol is selling supplements now. When do you think amsiol will be selling denturs and bed pans? amsiol and amway are in the same game so it seems. EyeTrip
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 7/09/2004 20:48:53	Amsoil ALTRUM, AGGRAND, PURE POWER, and AQUABRITE IP: Logged Message: Thank you for the "FREE Promotion", and the opportunity to mention Amsoil's other divisions. For The Record, I would NEVER promote these products on a "truck website", but you introduced the topic so I will follow through. I am proud of ALL of the products offered by Amsoil and its subsidiary ALTRUM, which includes the ALTRUM, AGGRAND, PURE POWER, and AQUABRITE lines. The ALTRUM Division of AMSOIL, includes four product lines for a healthy lifestyle: ALTRUM (Nutritional Supplements), AGGRAND Natural Lawn and Garden Products (Organic Fertilizers), Pure Power Cleaning Products (Biodegradable and Phosphate Free), and AquaBrite Water Filters (An Economical Alternative To Bottled Water). Information can be obtained on all of the above products, ALTRUM, AGGRAND, Pure Power, and AquaBrite, by visiting my website and clicking through on the ALTRUM DIVISION link, or sending me an email for additional information. __________________________________________________ To request a FREE Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oil, ALTRUM, AGGRAND, Pure Power, and AquaBrite Catalog click below. Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
Jag Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 7/11/2004 22:04:06	RE: Oil usage on 5.9 w/synthetic? IP: Logged Message: Amsoil guy - what would you recommend for a top end lubricant? Are you familiar with Justice Brothers products? I use these in my police cars at work.
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 7/12/2004 06:50:50	Amsoil Justice Brothers Amzoil Ams Oil IP: Logged Message: Justice Brothers (or JB) has been selling products for years. What do I know about their products? Do I think they are any good? Actually, I don't know. I haven't seen much evidence. One of their claims is that they "condition the metal not the oil", and this seems strange to me, which would indicate that their additives are a barrier additive of sorts. Do their additives really condition metal? No. Nothing changes the metal. Snake Oil? The problem with additives (snake oil) is that adding such can adversly affect the oils existing additives blend. The oil might have a small percentage of barrier additives, blended with the detergents, antioxidants, disperants, etc., ... all of which is blended in proper portion, allowing all of the additives to work together on the surface. Now you (the police department) comes along, adds in extra barrier additives (like JB's) and it overtakes the surface area not allowing the other additives to work as intended, so then the base oil suffers from excessive oxidation due to antioxidants, deteregents, and dipersants not being able to do their job as intended. Then add in the possiblity that some barrier additives become chemically corrosive when byproducts of nitration and blowby gases are introduced. __________________________________________________ I have made many posts here (search under Slick 50, zMax, MMO, Marvel Mystery Oil) regarding the HAZARDS of using any additives. There are a few good advantages to additives ... but VERY few. It's the fact that oil chemistry is a science and many hours and lots of $$$ goes into blending oil. To think that an additive maker can come out with something that works in improving the quality of an oil without disturbing the existing oil's chemistry is definitely not thinking about the long term consequences. Chemistry clash is a good reson not to mix differant oils and/or additives to achieve your own "homebrew". __________________________________________________ Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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