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midnightmagic
GenIII
1/26/2004
19:07:59
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a guy in our shop has a 99 gt 5 speed, with short throw,intake, manifold spacer, bigger tb, adjustable timing gears, shorty headers, x-pipe, 3.73 gears, its crazy fast, he ran a stock t/a ws6 from a stop he pulled 1 car length and held it till about 60 then the ws6 crept by and i do mean crept by, at 135 the ws6 was about half a car ahead. ws6 i believe, correct me if im wrong are a tad faster than the ss, so how in the sam hell do you expect us to beleive with just intake and h pipe that you hang with an ss. did you forget to mention the 50 shot?
You gotta ask yourself one question...That Thing Got A HEMI???
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IntenseDak39
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1/26/2004
20:50:33
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WS6 was just the Trans Am "SS"... same package
you might be thinking of the FireHawk they had a few years back (i think thats what it was called).. had like 340-350 hp.
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R/TBlues
Dodge Dakota
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1/26/2004
21:55:21
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R/T Slayer,
"why don't you get a real truck" NOT! Why don't you get a brain? You would have to be one stupid SOB to drop $35,000.00 for a Lightning when you could get a Dakota for half the price. Even the 4.7L with minor tweaking is hitting the upper 14's. That's only 1 sec slower than the Lightning. I paid $18,500.00 for my 2002 SLT 4.7L. I could have bought a 2002 sport 4.7L 5spd the same day for $16,700.00. That's half the price of a Lightning. I only gave $19,500.00 for my 2000R/T Xcab. I don't know about, but I know if I spent $15,000.00 more dollars than I paid for my R/T it would do a hell of a lot better than mid 13's to low 14's. I'd be looking at low 12's at least.
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SVTJES
Dodge Dakota
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1/26/2004
22:21:26
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As the owner of a modded R/T for 4 years before I sold it I must say that the R/T did have its high points and low points. I still believe the R/t is a bad azz looking truck which I will always respect. This may be opinion but when purchasing my 03 Lightning I put alot of thought in to the different aspects of the vehicle. There is a cost difference, yes, but the cost is somewhat justified. I will not stand here and preach, but I find it to be justified. The Lightning will run 13.3 to 13.8 in the 1/4 depending on track and conditions. With only a chip, 4 lb pulley, and a trans valve body (if you really want it) you are in the mid 12's. It all depends on what you want, I did not want to do all the heavy mods to the dakota and opted to pay more for a factory truck with a supercharger. The same way you can sink money into an R/T to go after a lightning, the Lightnings are going after the SRT-10 rams with minimal bolt-ons. R/T versus Lightning-$12,000-$15,000 difference Lightning versus SRT-10 Ram $12,000-$15,000 difference! This is a great age for sport trucks, but personally I think the R/T's and Lightnings are the best bang for the buck looking ahead to the future prices of Trucks. The SRT-10 RAM is 45,000 and the next L may very well be $40,000 +, this keeps many young newcomers out of the market. The point is that if you think the Lightning is a waste of money than look at your 13.5 second $45,000 SRT-10 RAM. If you dispute the 1/4 mile time look at the speeds in the quarter and see how fast the slug really is!
SVTJES
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Dodge Dakota
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1/27/2004
13:02:37
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To answer intense's question about how many people can get a stock gt into the 13's, not many at all. But how many people can get the most out of a dak? Probably less, trucks are harder to launch. All I'm saying, is that anybody here who has beat'n a gt with a stock dak, beat the driver, not the car.
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midnightmagic
GenIII
1/27/2004
13:54:54
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a car or truck is only as good as the driver.
You gotta ask yourself one question...That Thing Got A HEMI???
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luvmeR/T
Dodge Dakota
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1/27/2004
15:11:22
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R/T slayer, youre a dumbass!
"Oh yeah, a hemi ain't nuthin and wont ever be nuthin."
"And Bigtymer,how much money has been spent on that hemi? It had better be alot, Ive seen old 327's run them in the ground, also Id be proud to see my 281ci run with a 383ci or 440ci!"
426 hemi dynos at over 500hp in hemi cudas and challengers.so rebuilt to "stock" specs,those cars will hand you your ass.and are you implying that 383 and 440 are hemis?because they arent!and im sure a 383 or 440 road runner or charger would kick the sh*t out of you too!
i have a lightly modded(for now) 02 r/t and ive beaten several gts,and lost to em too.SS's also.everyone:it just depends on the driver.i bet i could beat a Z06 if my mom was driving it!and the reason i put so much emphasis on the hemi talk is because i have a 426 waiting to be rebuilt when i find a suitable car.the hemi was the king of the muscle car era,and those hemi cars can whip most of the modern american sportscars too,even the almighty(laughs)mustang gt.
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R/TBlues
Dodge Dakota
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1/27/2004
20:03:12
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SVTJes,
Lets do some number crunching here!
The SRT-4 runs 13.75 out of the box with no mods for under $20K. Brendham Motors near St. Louis had a 2001 CC R/T with only 16,000 miles on it for $14,900.00. Sorry, guys but they sold it the other day.
So for approx. $34,000.00 I could have a car that will haul more people and go faster than a stock Lightning and a late model R/T to haul the SRT to the track with. I'm sorry if I upset any Lightning owners. I think it's a great truck. I wanted one, but I will not pay $35,000.00 for a $25,000.00 truck. I heard the new Lightenings are going to list at over $40,000.00. It's not worth it.
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SVTJES
Dodge Dakota
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1/27/2004
21:11:48
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Your entitled to your opinion, but avoided many of the points I made in my post. Have fun in your Ricer!
LATER,
SVTJES
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JC
Dodge Dakota
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1/27/2004
23:05:13
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It's rather pointless to compare the SRT-4 with the Lightning. They are two totally different vehciles and the price difference is justified. To say the SRT-4 is a better performer than the L is a sorry attempt at a joke. It seems to be a great performer but stock for stock, I give the nod to the p/u. Also, to try and compare the price of a used vehicle to that of a new vehicle is pointless.
Last year when I first started shopping for a "new" used vehicle, I looked at both the L and R/T. The L stickered at roughly $32K at one dealership while a fully loaded R/T was in the $26K range. As much as I like the R/T, the price was much too high. Don't get me wrong, $32K for the new L was rediculous but in my opinion, you did get alot for the extra $6K over the R/T.
When it comes to used prices, the hands down winner is the R/T. The final price of my 99 R/T RC with 44K miles was under $10K. The bang for the buck I received was very good. The only 99 Lightning I priced with similar miles was more than double what I paid for my R/T. Would I like to own a Lightning? Sure I would but even the used prices are much to high. Used car prices are high these days so in my eyes, I want the best bang for my dollar I can get. If that means starting off a bit slower than another high priced vehicle, so be it.
As for the Hemi being the king of the muscle car era, I disagree somewhat. In my opinion is is w/o a doubt one of the most highly known engines from that era but lets be realistic, there were other engines of that day that were excellent performers who could get the job done as good and even better than the almighty hemi. Believe me, I think the hemi was monumental in its day but so were other engines as well.
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R/TBlues
Dodge Dakota
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1/27/2004
23:49:42
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JC,
My point exactly. That's why I brought up the
SRT-4. If people are gooing to keep comparing the Lightning to the Dakota then lets bring in some more cars/trucks that are irrelevent.
SVTJES,
You can drive a ricer if you want. The SRT-4 is all DODGE! It's more Dodge than your Lightning is FORD.
Besides, look at how Ford tucked their tail and ran as soon as Dodge cam out with the SRT-4. Ford just announced that they were dropping the SVTFocus. I guess Dodge will just have go after all the ricers by themselves.
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SVTJES
Dodge Dakota
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1/28/2004
10:56:42
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The SVT Focus was dropped because a new version with turbo is being refined off the European platform called the RS. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about!
On a side note the SRT-4 has good power with the stage 1 and new stage 2 kits available, still a ricer though!
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R/TBlues
Dodge Dakota
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1/28/2004
13:30:05
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I don't know what I'm talking about? Yet, your calling a Neon a Ricer. Honda's are ricers.
"They quit making the SVT-Focus because their coming out with a new one"
That makes no sense. Lets see, why don't I quit my job before I find a new one?......
They quit making the SVT-Focus because it's a piece of SH!T!! They had no choice but to make a new one if they wanted to compete with Dodge. Even the "Ricers" like the Acura RSX could wip the SVT-focus and get better gas mileage at the same time.
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midnightmagic
GenIII
1/28/2004
13:31:59
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hmmm. my cousin has an 04 srt-4 he put $500 dollars into it and is running 12.3's, and no its not N2O, rice or not that will kick the shiyitt out of 3/4 of the lightnings out there. but of course apples to oranges. of course if dodge did ever factory supercharge a dakota, hmmm wait thats right ford supercharges all their performance rides, 03 cobra( cause they were tired of camaros and T/A's kickin their teeth in) and the lightning( cause once again chevy and dodge was whoopin dat heiny. now before you flame me, i owned a 85 f-150 302ci. to this day 4 motors later i still see that truck when i go home on leave. and i own a 86 mustang svo, 2.3 turbo. stock i was turning 14.3's in it. these days she is turnin 9.54's with just a little money put in her. (little money yeah right)! if dodge were to factory supercharge lets say a RAM 1500, RC, SWB, 2WD 4.7l basically a reg cab Ram Rod. stock for stock it would be damn close, definatley drivers race. the moral of this lesson, quit comparing bananas and dill pickles.
You gotta ask yourself one question...That Thing Got A HEMI???
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SVTJES
Dodge Dakota
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1/28/2004
13:59:43
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Who has the BS flag to wave? You cousin may own an SRT-4 but its not running 12.3's for $500.00, in fact the car wouldn't run 12.3's if it were shot out of a cannon.
Current Fastest SRT-4 from srtforums.com
1. 12.423 @ 111.97 | 1.863 | 26x6x15 Drag slicks | Route 66 Dragway, IL | Mopar S1, T3T4E turbo, log manifold, DM Motor mounts, Tial 35mm WG, Full 3" turboback exhaust, Nitrous Express 75 shot (WET) and Blackdog CAI | Redsrt4me
Well, well,well sure seems like more than $500.00, ask your fellow SRT boys about running 12.3's for $500.00 and they will laugh in your face, but mabey they won't if you tell them you shot it out of a cannon?!!
I personally can care less about the SVT focus, and know the next version will be turbo charged like it should have been from the beginning. Only time will tell.
Midnight.... You are ignorant to think that having a supercharger is in some way inferior to a N/A setup. The 03 cobra is one bad azz ride that can put down 650-700 RWHP with a Kenne Bell $3000 dollar upgraded supercharger running 21 lbs of boost on a 4.6L engine. That my friend is efficiency, and is about 200-250 rwhp above a stock viper V10 engine. Now all things considered you will have other parts needed for traction, and a larger intercooler, but grand total is about $5,000 for the ones who do it right. Go right ahead and do searches on it, the Cobras are kicking the chit out of Z06's,Vipers, exotics, etc....
Later,
SVTJES
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midnightmagic
GenIII
1/28/2004
14:26:34
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i planned for this, HE only spent 500 on it, i didnt say what was given to him. once again cobras are kickin z06's and vipers, with the help of a supercharger. my point clear again, why spend the money on a 03 cobra, then add another 5k on top of the car, plus insurance. when you can take an existing cheaper car and make it tons faster for less, example my 86 svo, bought it for $1500 with 28k on the motor( friend of the family that passed away and was stored)after about 9k later mid 9 sec screamer, hmmm $10,500 thats roughly 20 or so k less than a cobra, and runs circles around it. supercharger are in no way inferior, hell i just love a 383 stroker with a weiand 8-71 on top... the basic facts Ford cant get it done N/A! nuff said.
You gotta ask yourself one question...That Thing Got A HEMI???
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luvmeR/T
Dodge Dakota
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1/28/2004
14:35:12
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superchargers arent inferior,they are just fords way of staying in the game.they supercharge all their crap because they have yet to put out an n/a motor to compete with the other brands.new cobras arent much faster than the 02 SS or ram airs,now imagine if GM supercharged them?that cobra would slither away with it tail tucked!same with the lightning,without the charger just a small cid pathetic v-8 that fullsize chevys,dak r/ts and 4.7s could have fun with.
oh,and dont get after a cobra with aftermarket parts and then compare it to a stock SS or even a Z06.or for that matter a stock viper!thats just stupid.there are a few guys around
here running around in naturally aspirated ram airs that run 11s that would love to tear up fords pathetic little attempt to rule the american sportscar market.
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JC
Dodge Dakota
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1/28/2004
17:01:55
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From reading many of these responses, it is obvious that brand loyalty has made many people ignorant to other vehicles.
The first misconception I am reading is that the only way Ford can compete is by using F/I. Wrong! Contrary to many beliefs, the last Cobra with the n/a dohc 4.6L could run with the "almighty" LS1. Hardly any Fbody owner will ever admit this but it's true. Also, recall the n/a V8 in the last Cobra R that was producing "385hp". Ford could make an extremely power n/a but they choose to go another route. What many of you neglect to mention is that Ford starts with a much smaller sized engine than its competitors. 5.7L vs 4.6L is a huge difference.
Second, the supercharged Cobra is putting a major hurting on the "demi god" LS1. It is not barely inching by it but rather beating it damn good. Do not put much emphasis on poor drivers of the Cobras because god knows, every car (camaro and ta included) have piss poor drivers. In the hands of a good driver, look out.
Thirdly, while you are bitching amd moaning about these supercharged vehicles, you all know you'd wet your pants if Chrysler offered a Dakota with one. It would be ok then but not ok when Ford does it. Damn, some of you are total hipocrites.
Love or hate Ford, give them some credit for what they are doing. Look how long it took Dodge to make a truck that could compete with the Lightning stock for stock. What does Dodge have to run with the Cobra? My point is that they are doing things for a while that people have wanted. N/A or F/I, at least they are trying to make performance orientated vehicles.
Believe me, I won't buy another Ford but that doesn't make me blinds as to what they are doing.
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luvmeR/T
Dodge Dakota
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1/28/2004
17:46:10
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youre right,id love for dodge to supercharge their sportscars/trucks.that would be great.im not trashing ford because they supercharge,i trash them because they dont do it well.03 cobras arent totally tromping on LS1s.they beat them,but not by much.i spend a great deal of time at the track and watching things on the street and the lightnings and cobras that are charged arent all that impressive against the "demi god".if the LS1 cars were supercharged they would be trouncing the charged cobras.
"What does Dodge have to run with the Cobra?"
are you kidding me?GM and Ford have had the better part of a decade to try to compete with and fail against "the almighty" viper.did ya forget about the highest powered most efficient sportscar the american markt has to offer?a viper would eat a cobra alive,street or strip,bad driver or good one.now imagine a viper supercharged or with turbos.nothing would ever come close.just check out some of hennesy's creations.
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Waltherone
Dodge Dakota
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1/28/2004
20:28:24
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FYI, I know of two SRT-4's here in houston that are knocking on the door of 11's. Breaking axles left and right (415 whp does that sometimes), but a couple sets of custom ground axles are being made as we speak...
you know, just FYI :)
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