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2centsDak
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Check out FlimFlamFram on the General Board (recent subject)
Also, it depends on the oil you are using. Dino or Synthetic? I am assuming synthetic since this is a "synthetic" subject thread. Regular or extended oil change (be it 3k, 5k, 7.5k, etc.)
I was told by Champion Labs that the Mobil filter is now a cellulose/synthetic blend. Don't know if this is good or bad with a synthetic oil.
I wonder why Mobil 1 filter changed recently, because I'm pretty sure it originally started out as a full synthetic media.
For all of you that use the M1 filter. Liquidation price for just $1.99 at Kmart! Kmarts are getting rid of them in their going out of business sales. Maybe that's why Kmart lost over $1.5 billion in the last quarter.
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Mobil has "reformulated" (read "cost-engineered") a lot of their products since the merger (Exxon rules the board room now) to compete on the "Walmart type" shelves. (perhaps this explains the change in M1 oil filter). I believe a lot of the guys on this forum quote a Filter Study that was performed pre re-engineered.
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6/17/2002
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"Depends on the oil you are using. Dino or Synthetic? "
That is the biggest misconception out there.
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don94
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i cked walmart new synthic oil and didnt find any mentions of oil additives to that oil. sells for $2.97 a qt. just wondering if anyone has knowledge of the oil. i know their other brand is or was made by quaker state but dont know who is makeing the synthic oil. i have used there oil in my lawn mower and snowblower to see if it gave any problems and so far the 10 yr old mower runs like a top and the 4 year old snoblower is running fine to. any help on their new synthic would be appreciated. thnks in advance.
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Dr. D
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Utoypia,
Do not use the FRAM Double Gaurd oil filters with the AMSOIL, it voids their warranty due to the PTFE in the filter.
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What is
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I don't want to sound like a dummy. But what is PTFE and how does it affect filtration and/or performance of the oils?
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Jethro
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Repeat Please:
I don't want to sound like a dummy. But what is PTFE and how does it affect filtration and/or performance of the oils?
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AmsoilDealer
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Additional information for those interested...
AMSOIL Synthetic Oil surpasses the North American AAMA, Japanese JASO and European ACEA oil specifications for high temperature/high shear viscosity protection.
Automobile manufacturers and OEM oils
The vehicle manufacturers need to sell you vehicles, that's their business... sell new and REPLACEMENT vehicles. Each vehicle maker has product planned obsolescence built into their business plan (frame-body-drivetrain-ENGINE-etc.). They won't tell you about or recommend AMSOIL synthetic oil because your vehicle engine might last two or three times as long. That's not in their business interest! Also they make a tremendous profit on the OEM oil that they sell. This OEM oil provides two functions, it keeps your vehicle on their planned schedule for maintainance, repairs, and wearout ... and it adds a tremendously profitable add-on sale. So recommending AMSOIL synthetic oil that would make your vehicle last longer and reduce their oil sales would be counter productive to their business plan.
Dealers and their Demands
If your vehicle dealer takes issue with you using AMSOIL Synthetic oil and tells you that it will affect your Warranty if you don't use their OEM oil. Please have them refer to the Magnuson - Moss Act (1977) which states that if a Dealer requires (demands) that you use their parts or accessories, they must supply them "Free of Charge."
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, www.dodgedakota.com sponsor
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HSKR
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So I suppose the Mobile1 synthetic sold at Dodge dealers with the Mopar name on it is part of DC's plan to make engines wear out quicker??
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sandman
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I was just at my Dodge dealership for the fith time in 15,544 miles. They have a display with Mobile-1 15W50 oil. Their oil is just standard Mobile-1 their was no Diamler Chysler logo or anything on it. Are you sure someone did not stick a sticker on it or just stencil the logo on it? I doubt that they are going to put synthetic in your vechile unless you pay a HUGE premium for it. My dealership recomend Mobile-1 15W50 for all of the truck's and try's to talk everyone into it diesel or gas powered.
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Dodge Dakota Enthusiasts!
Just letting you guys know that I am still here
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allowing us to do it again.
Look for my new Billboard Ad in August. I am a proud sponsor of DodgeDakotas.com
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crashyyz
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Dr D or anyone.. can they explain this (quote below).. who's warranty? and Is that just an AMSOIL thing or a DC thing.. I am so confused.. and in a panic.. I just did a Mobil 1 (full synth)+ Fram dbl guard change on Sunday.. please someone let me know...
"Do not use the FRAM Double Gaurd oil filters with the AMSOIL, it voids their warranty due to the PTFE in the filter."
Thanks!
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sandman
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Never Never Never put anything with PTFE in it into or onto your engine!!!!! Never use Fram oil filters on anything you want to keep. PTFE has no place in an engine. It will cause you nothing but grief. If the filter does it's job it should catch most of it on the first pass. It will probably clog up the filter and cause it to go into bypass. Dupont the company that invented PTFE has gone on record denoundeing it's use in engines.
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crashyyz
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so why do they continue to sell them with their name on it... ? I don't get it..
is this documented anywhere.. that I can read up on .. not that I don't believe you... but I am curious to know more...
thanks!
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AmsoilSponsor
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Crash,
As a follow up to Sandman... Change your filter ASAP. You can change the filter without changing the oil. You will loose what is in the filter +/- whatever drips. Only two days driving, no damage done. The damage is in clogging and causing the filter to go into bypass mode.
I don't have anything in writing about Dupont's documented denouncing of the use of filters with PTFE, but Sandman is a reliable source.
Steven
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Dr. D
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Crashyyz,
I have a lot of info on the use of PTFE in engine oil (I got suckered one time too!)
I got the info from the Federal trade commission and I will look up the link and post it here soon.
Dr. D
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crashyyz
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Thanks guys.. and thanks to Steve responded to an email request I sent providing me a detailed explanation about the bypass issue. I'll look for your info/link on the PTFE Dr D.
Knowledge is power...
Crash
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I would like to invite everyone to visit my REDESIGNED WEBSITE. Amsoil Product Information, Amsoil Racing News, Amsoil Latest Headlines, and "SECURE" Online Ordering, and soon to come an "Oil Forum".
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Jim Beam
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Could you tell me the diffrence between Redline synthetic oils engine/trans compared to the AMSOIL oils? Has there been any study with this?
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IndustryXpert
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Although Red Line Oil is touted as a top-notch synthetic oil, oil analysis results show that, at least in passenger vehicle applications, it may not be formulated properly. Red Line oils are for TRUE racing applications.
On passenger vehicles (cars and trucks)it has been determined thru testing that when using Red Line there is excessive wear metal content, low tbn value, excessive oxidation percentage and Molybdenum levels which are "over range". These results would seem to indicate that after a fairly short oil drain interval the Red Line Oil used was showing unacceptable levels of oil degradation, and the Polyolester base stock seems to be reacting negatively with the aluminum and lead materials in the engine.
In addition, the "over range" Molybdenum levels indicated that Red Line may be using a solid extreme pressure additive in its oils. Although this may be useful (but is not necessary with top-quality basestocks) in RACING applications where metal components of an engine may be more likely to come in contact with each other, it is not necessary in a passenger vehicle engine and can actually be harmful to the engine. This would make sense, otherwise there would be no reason to indicate the levels of Molybdenum to be "over range".
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Somewhere and someplace someone asked about Amsoil Warranty. I can't find the post with the question so I will post here.
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Most Important: Keep accurate service records and all purchase receipts
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Vehicle manufacturers recommend using motor oils meeting certain grades and American Petroleum Institute (API) service requirements. Whether the motor oil is petroleum based or synthetic will not affect warranty coverage. The manufacturer is required to cover all equipment failures it would normally cover as long as the oil meets the requirements and was not the cause of the failure.
AMSOIL exceeds these requirements and has never been deemed the cause of an engines failure. Even so, AMSOIL has its own limited warranty, protecting you even further. In addition, the federally mandated Magnuson-Moss Act states that a manufacturer may not require the use of a specific brand of aftermarket product unless it is provided free of charge.
* If a car dealership, service center or other business states that using AMSOIL will void your new vehicle warranty, ask for that statement in writing and send it to AMSOIL Technical Services (AMSOIl Inc., AMSOIL Bldg, Superior, WI 54880). If the business won't provide the statement in writing send AMSOIL Technical Services a letter identifying who made the statement, the name and location of the business and what the specific statement was. AMSOIL will then send a letter to the business informing them that their position is inaccurate, and, in fact violates existing law. Your name will be held in confidence. A sample of this letter can be provided upon request.
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For additional information on Amsoil's Limited Warranty please visit my website.
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Amsoil's Limited Warranty is in effect when Amsoil Products are used in mechanically sound engines, providing, of course the oil is kept free of contaminants by changing the oil filter according to the manufacturer's recommendation or, when using an AMSOIL Super Duty Oil Filter, changing the filter based on Amsoils oil and filter change recommendations.
Additionally, if there is ever a question of whether or not a particular oil was the cause of an engine failure make sure to get a sample of the used oil in a clean bottle, typically 6 oz. minimum. The oil can then be sent to two independent testing labs for analysis (labs are located throughout the country).
A reminder: Keep accurate service records and all purchase receipts
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Remember, an informed consumer is your best defense against being taken advantage of by a vehicle dealership or service center.
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, Proud Sponsor of DodgeDakotas.com
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Additional Amsoil Limited Warranty Information is available on my website
"SECURE" ONLINE ORDERING is available on my website
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IndustryXpert
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Crash,
PTFE is usually found in aftermarket additives.
There are basically two types of additives used, either Teflon based with PTFE (like Slick 50) or Chlorinated based (like Dura Lube) with some type of carrier, usually a paraffin based carrier or other mineral oil. Some have extremely large amounts of moly, zinc or phosphorus, all extreme pressure agents which are detrimental to a motor oils proper function in the amount that they use.
Teflon (or PTFE) does absolutely nothing inside your engine. Teflon must be heated up to about 800 deg. F to get it to stick to anything for friction reducing purposes, just like the Teflon on a frying pan, yet in your engine all those suspended microscopic colloidal Teflon particles do is gradually attach to you oil pick-up screen and reduce oil flow to your critical components as well as reducing the oil flow in other critical internal engine passages by attaching themselves to the passageway walls. In addition, as your oil filter filters out some of these suspended Teflon particles, your filter flow rate will be reduced which may eventually become restricted and default into by-pass mode, which means unfiltered oil will be flowing through your engine.
Chlorinated additives mixed with oil and subjected to heat forms hydrochloric acid! Hydrochloric acid is extremely detrimental to your internal engine parts.
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DevilDak
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7/28/2002
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Wow,
I just read all the posts here. Learned a lot guys.
DevilDak (Red, Fast, Furious)
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This is quite possibly the most informative board in the world... With that said I have a question. I have for some time now had my oil changed by the local Quick Lube, where i request Castrol Pure Synthetic. When asked they assur me it is a pure synthetic oil and a top quality filter. The brand i do not know (i am sad to admit). My question is this: What comments/experience do you guys have with Castrol Synthetics, and are they indeed a "true" sythetic oil. Am I making a wise decision or should i change to a different brand to ensure the maximum life from my vehicle?
Thank you...
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sandman
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Castrol Syntec is not a true synthetic. Castrol used to buy it's PAO(synthetic base)from Mobile Oil Corp. they decided to cut cost and went with a Hydro-Cracked/De-waxed crude oil base stock. Hydro craked crude oil is better then regular crude based ils but it is no where near as good as a true synthetic!!!! If you want a synthetic that can be found everywear go with Mobile-1. Most oil change places have a case or two of Mobile-1 laying around in back.
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No_Mo_Bull
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Mobil Corporation is No Better Than a Bunch of Street Thugs, Taliban, and the newly hated White Collar Criminals (Enron, Worldcom, etc.with over $2 trillion, (yes trillion) stolen from investors in Telecom Stocks(per last weeks BusinessWeek Magazine)and 500,000 people fired, not to mention UNFUNDED Pension Funds!
Exxon Mobil is the largest corporation in the world and it has, virtually single-handedly, blocked global efforts to address climate change, including sabotaging US participation in the Kyoto Protocol. It is linked to climate destruction, human rights abuses, and democracy buy-out. It is being sued for complicity in human rights atrocities in Indonesia, has recently removed indigenous peoples from their homes in Colombia, and is supporting one of the world's most brutal regimes in Chad. If anything, Exxon Mobil's impact on the environment goes far beyond ExxonValdez, ranging from its repeated efforts to destroy the Clean Air Act to endangering whale populations off Sakhalin Island in Russia. These are only the most recent issues with a company which is historically synonymous with greed and abuse.
No MO-BULL for me!!!
P.S. There is a good More-Bull thread here somewhere!
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QuackDak
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Here is what I know (12 year Amsoil user reading every monthly Amsoil Action News magazine)
Mobil Corporation announced its upgrade from Mobil 1 Synthetic Motor Oil to Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic Formula sometime back in 1999. The New Mobil l Tri-Synthetic Formula combined "three highly advanced synthetic polymers" with an anti-wear additive package.
Excuse me .... Amsoil moved BEYOND the "multiple base" stock technology long before 1999. *** Mobil is still trying to play catch-up to Amsoil.
The fact that Mobil is trying to catch up is a good indication that the market has been swinging in favor of AMSOIL synthetic motor oils.
Market research convinced Mobil that qualities like cold morning start-ups and protection in hot highway and stop-and-go driving – benefits built into AMSOIL motor oils for many years – were what consumers really wanted.
This was after Mobil Corporation upgraded the Mobil 1 formulation in 1992 to incorporate synthetic jet engine oil technology.
Ha Ha Ha ... AMSOIL started out with jet engine oil technology from the very beginning in 1972.
Mobil ... you will never catch up. You were behind the times before the Exxon merger, and now you are COST ENGINEERED for Walmart, K-mart, etc.
My 2 cents ... use what you want.
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"Which Oil" discussion reminds me of CROSSFIRE on TV. (careful everyone, we don't have an "oil" moderator)
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As a followup to a previous post:
Additional ways to cover yourself with the Amsoil Limited Warranty:
Go to your local "quick lube" for oil change service. Just bring in your own Amsoil Motor Oil and Filter (or whatever other brand) and they will install it for you and provide you with a receipt stating "the customer provided their own oil". My "quick lube" charges me labor only and gives me all of the extras (freebies) you get when you're getting their standard oil change. They check all the other fluids, tire pressure, air filter, etc., etc. At my local "quick lube" the standard oil change is 19.95 and they charge me 14.95 when I bring my own Amsoil. This way I am covered no matter what, no questions asked, just "proof" of change.
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Rather do it yourself? Here is what some of my customers do.
You can save your receipt from your Amsoil purchase, then take a DATED PHOTO of the odometer on the day that you change the oil.
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Beyond these two options, I don't know what you could do.
Sincerely,
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, Proud Sponsor of DodgeDakotas.com
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No_Mo_Bull
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Here is the (NO) Mo-Bull thread
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/6177.html
No MO-BULL for me!!!
Exxon Mobil is the largest corporation in the world and it has, virtually single-handedly, blocked global efforts to address climate change, including sabotaging US participation in the Kyoto Protocol.
Exxon Mobil is linked to climate destruction, human rights abuses, and democracy buy-out.
Exxon Mobil is being sued for complicity in human rights atrocities in Indonesia, has recently removed indigenous peoples from their homes in Colombia, and is supporting one of the world's most brutal regimes in Chad.
If anything, Exxon Mobil's impact on the environment goes far beyond ExxonValdez, ranging from its repeated efforts to destroy the Clean Air Act to endangering whale populations off Sakhalin Island in Russia.
These are only the most recent issues with a company which is historically synonymous with greed and abuse.
No MO-BULL for me!!!
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No_Mo_Bull
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08/01 08:10
Exxon Mobil Second-Quarter Profit Falls 41% to $2.64 Billion
Irving, Texas, Aug. 1 (Bloomberg) -- Exxon Mobil Corp., the world's largest publicly traded oil company, said second quarter earnings fell 41 percent.
Net income fell to $2.64 billion, or 39 cents a share, from $4.46 billion, or 65 cents, a year earlier, the company said in a fax confirmed by the company. Revenue fell 9.4 percent to $50.9 billion from $56.2 billion.
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Maybe people are beginning to figure out the truth. That Exxon Mobil is EVIL.
No_Mo_Bull
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To: No_Mo_Bull
As I stated before, "Which Oil" discussion reminds me of CROSSFIRE on TV. (careful everyone, we don't have an "oil" moderator). You are welcome to voice your own opinion, but please quote your sources and back them up with factual information. Otherwise your comments can be only be taken at face value. However, I would like to add that your comments probably are mostly valid.
Thank You,
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, Proud Sponsor of DodgeDakotas.com
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