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roarinc
Dodge Dakota
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2/04/2002
02:40:43
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Just thought I would let you know... One of your board members, Jake did a dyno for us on his Dakota 4.7L. The results were a gain of 12 HP and 12 ft/lbs of torque. Dyno charts are available at www.roarinc.com. Anyone interesting in the kit please let be know via the post or email me at roarcontact@yahoo.com. If you guys have any questions let me know.
Chris
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
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2/04/2002
08:42:48
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How much is the kit? Does the kit attach to the air box or the throttle body? Was the 12hp at the rear wheels? Do you have a heat sheild? So many questions.
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bernd
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2/04/2002
09:51:28
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Same results possible with the K&N, QuickD, Intense Performance.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
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2/04/2002
09:54:20
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Thats what I was thinkin. So I guess they need to take about $100 bucks off that $339.00 price tag to probably get anyones attention.
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Todd Bouton
Dodge Dakota
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2/04/2002
10:18:36
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I'm still liking my homebrew, with homemade wall between engine and element, with the rubbers off.
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Art
Dodge Dakota
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2/04/2002
14:24:11
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That dyno result on the 4.7 doesnt even seem right,173 hp stock? seems like an awfull lot of driveline loss
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CThomp
Dodge Dakota
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2/04/2002
14:53:53
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Depends on the Dak they used. If it was a QC auto 4x4 then they have a driveline loss of something like 25% which equates to about 177 h.p. But if they did it on a 4x2 5spd CC or RC I don't what the deal is.
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roarinc
Dodge Dakota
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2/04/2002
17:13:28
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The test was on a 4.7L auto. The results were 12HP at the rear wheels. The kit will be $300. Other products will not produce the same HP. Also a heat shield is not necessary due to no metal in the intake. All of the tests were done with the hood down. The airraid system produced 1 HP worse than stock. Any more questions please let me know.
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Blizzard
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2/04/2002
17:56:59
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One question, roarinc:
You say "other products will not produce the same HP."
What do you base that statement on?
Thanks
'01 QC 4x4
5.9L, 3.92 LSD, loaded
http://shakin-notstirred.tripod.com
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roarinc
Dodge Dakota
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2/04/2002
18:33:19
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If you look at the products we have tested on our site, every car we have ever done we can produce more power. As for the truck competition what we tested was far worse than our product. If you want a dyno comparison w/ another product you can come and we will test it for you
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Lesley
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2/04/2002
19:46:02
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LMAO!!! It's worth the extra bucks, the filter is carbon fibre! Is it billet trimmed? Woohoo!
97 3.9 CC Sport. Black. Auto 3.55
Quick D Intake, JBA Stainless headers, Autolite 3923s, stainless Borla Turbo XL, V8 R/T TB,
FMS fuel injectors
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bernd
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2/04/2002
20:32:37
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LOL...yeah Lesley, but do they have Boxer Shorts? ;)
Seriously though, most manufacturers will always claim that their product is better than Brand-X. That's just part of the game. As for the dyno results, well (Mr. Roarinc)...I sent you an email four times within the last six months and didn't receive a reply. I wanted to Dyno test your filter against the K&N and S&B (BigMouth) filters on my Supercharged V6 Dakota.
You up for the challenge?
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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bernd
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2/04/2002
20:33:50
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Almost forgot...we also have a 2001 R/T that's been dyno'd with a K&N Gen-II system...send me an intake that will fit the 2001 R/T and we'll dyno test it for you. Proof is in the pudding. If it makes more power, i'll pay full price for it.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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kennungesser
Gen III
2/04/2002
21:12:19
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Go get 'em bernd!!!
Kenneth l Nungesser
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CW
GenIII
2/04/2002
21:30:55
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Chance of this guy actually being up for the challange... Slim to none. I think slim just left the building. hehe ;-)
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Electric fan Convertion, Awaiting HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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Lesley
GenIII
2/04/2002
21:58:17
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LOL, well done CW! If I paint a lion on mine will it add $100?
97 3.9 CC Sport. Black. Auto 3.55
Quick D Intake, JBA Stainless headers, Autolite 3923s, stainless Borla Turbo XL, V8 R/T TB,
FMS fuel injectors
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CW
GenIII
2/04/2002
22:08:39
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I am surprized you don't have some fancy graphics on your dak Lesley. Being a artist and all.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Electric fan Convertion, Awaiting HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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Lesley
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2/04/2002
22:35:33
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It's pretty enough CW, it doesn't need any help from me :)
97 3.9 CC Sport. Black. Auto 3.55
Quick D Intake, JBA Stainless headers, Autolite 3923s, stainless Borla Turbo XL, V8 R/T TB,
FMS fuel injectors
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roarinc
Dodge Dakota
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2/05/2002
03:52:20
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As far as our product being better, if you do the research you will see the product has been better in every case. If you can get me a K&N system I will test it vs ours with a witness of your member Jake. As far as sending you a product, we won't do that, there as been too many ways of people falsifying dyno results. If you want to back up your challenge by coming to us and testing we are definately up for that. Our goal is to just give you the best product there is. I hope you see that
Chris
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Tom Slick
Dodge Dakota
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2/05/2002
08:59:15
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Roarinc's quote - "there as been too many ways of people falsifying dyno results."
Are you going to calibrate your dyno right there in front of him, too? I doubt it...
How about dyno testing at an independent dyno shop, where the person running the dyno has nothing to lose or gain either way...
That seems fair to me!
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CW
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2/05/2002
09:12:08
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See that is what I mean take it to Bernds dyno. If it is good he will let us know and probably sell it on his site. I know we can all trust him.
2001 RC 4.7 5sp 9.25" 3.92 LSD
Ported 68mm throttle body, IAT adjuster, 3" flowmaster cat back, TPS @ .76V, 4" cold air, Roadmaster active suspention, Removed Third cat. Electric fan Convertion, Awaiting HO cams.
Working on adjustable fuel pressure with return.
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Crusty
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2/05/2002
10:49:27
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Yah so Roar INc. nice website, the only information you gave me was that you didn't like superchargers. And there were no pictures of the Dakota intake. Now tell me exactly why yours is so much better than the competittion? is it light weight b/c it is carbon fiber? Does it look cooler? I have never heard of your company and I spend A LOT of time reading all car magazines. So like Bernd said, if it will mkae 12 rear wheel hp on a Dakota, (which I dont think it will on a stock Dak) then send me two, one to put on my shelf and on for the engine. But $330 is quite a bit for an intake we know nothing about.
2002 CC 4x4 4.7L 5spd 3.55 LSD
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bernd
*GenIII*
2/05/2002
13:46:46
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Chris,
I've done dyno testing for several companies on an independently owned Dynometer. We don't "falsify" anything but rather report the findings (good or bad). Even on my own product, another supplier had some questions about it and I gladly sent him a tester unit...he dyno tested it at his shop with good results. If you don't trust outside, independent sources for testing...that won't help selling a product.
The reason for using the local dyno is also a simple answer: It's in a climate controlled building which gives better results as the elevation, temperature, and humidity are the same on all the tests. Different Dynos give different results. (Same Dyno, Same conditions, Same truck)
I did look at the "research" and the design does appear to give a slight advantage over the standard filters available. If you trust your product, it shouldn't be a problem with the testing.
BTW: I'm also the owner of SpeedTweaks, LLC.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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roarinc
Dodge Dakota
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2/05/2002
14:29:10
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First off we use an indepedent dyno shop here in Las Vegas, they use a DynoJet. Also the person who owns the shop used to work for DynoJet, so to say the least it is accurate. For pictures of the intake as well as dyno results go to:
http://www.roarinc.com/8dyno-dodge.html
We do not send out intakes because of too many problems who ask for them, then we never hear from them again.
In order to have seen it in a magazine as I said in the first post we have worked with mainly European Cars. If you look at Euro Car magazines then you will have seen us. You can look at our site here for more info on magazines we have been in:
http://www.roarinc.com/5history.html
If you have any more questions please let me know
Chris
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bernd
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2/05/2002
16:02:29
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So I guess it's like this then: Purchase the intake, dyno it locally, post the results, and go from there eh?
This is a DODGE site...not a Euro site. ;)
Give me a call at: (512) 507-8303 (Dealer pricing/cost).
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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bludak2000
Dodge Dakota
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2/05/2002
16:12:06
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If I am running a Larger throttle body, how could I get your system to mate up?
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roarinc
Dodge Dakota
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2/05/2002
16:26:21
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Yeah we are trying to expand. The system works so well on Euro cars that we wanted to make it work w/ domestics. I personally own two Chrysler products and I love these trucks. I am probably going to buy one soon. Anyway I will call you soon. As far as a larger Throttle body, what size is it?
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bernd
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2/05/2002
17:28:27
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As long as the intake system can keep up with the CFM requirements, you'll be fine. If you're referring to the Flometrics 4.7L TB's, it requires a 4" ID tube/adapter.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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2/05/2002
18:08:19
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Let's look at Matt Barrett's truck for a second. He made 207 hp on the dyno at the Carlisle Nationals back when his truck had only a homebrew intake, a K&N filter, and a Flowmaster exhaust.
230 stock HP becomes 195 hp a the rear wheels (15% loss thru the manual trans). Then add 12 hp from the $70 K&N filter and the $70 worth of PVC and rubber elbows from Home Depot, and you get 207 at the rear wheels.
Their test truck was making an astonishingly low 173 hp at the rear (is that auto trans really soaking up 25% of the power??) and then we add $340 (plus shipping) of carbon fiber and some odd bracing, etc. We get a 12 hp increase as proven by their Dyno for 185 hp.
A hi-flow fllter is a hi-flow filter is a hi-flow filter. You will pretty much pick up about 10-12 hp by replacing the stock 4.7L airbox with some sort of tubing and some sort of free-flowing cotton gauze filter. Period.
Now how much do you want to pay?? How pretty does it have to be?? It's up to ya.
Personally I paid $215 and got my 12 hp from www.volantperformance.com and i am still happy every time my intake "ROARs"!! hahahahahhahaaaaa
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bernd
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2/05/2002
21:07:03
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Chris (RoarInc): Glad to have talked to you on the phone. I'm still waiting on the return call from Scott so we can possibly work on a test as discussed.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
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2/05/2002
23:55:15
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roarinc- just a tip, if you want to actually sell parts around here. Listen to bernd, he is well trusted here and by not accepting his offer to test, it makes you seem not on the level. If you just want to sell some intakes, post a ad in Sport Truck, their readers don't seem to be to concerned weather or not something works (you way want to put a type 'R' sticker on it). If you want to sell intakes for the Jeep Grand Cherokee, go over to jeepsunlimited.com and look up 'Kolak' on the message boards. Point is, every site has a few member who the other members trust, they have used and worked with many of the products and know what works. 12hp sounds like a common claim, that rarely actually translates into that much gain on a stock truck, once installed. It may very well be worth the added money even if it doesn't produce better power just because it doesn't crack like the K&N sometimes does. Finally, don't say the heat shield is not important, because it's not so because of the plastic, as it is to make a cold air "chamber" right beside the radiator, it's a really good idea, but would cost a lot more to add as it would be specific to every car (were otherwise the same intake would work on a 4.7 jeep, or a 4.7 Dakota.)
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