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carey
Dodge Dakota
8/19/2001
18:28:19
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Has anyone put the R/T rims on a Sport? How does it look? Better with factory stance or lowered? Do they fit the wheel well without rubbing or using spacers? Finally, how do I get some?
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Jeremy Graham
Dodge Dakota
8/19/2001
19:59:50
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they are about 700 from mopar, i am going to do that next summer when i get my truck out of storage. i got a 00 cc 4.7
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Stuart
Dodge Dakota
8/20/2001
00:21:36
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You can find them alot cheaper eslewhere than going through mopar. I found mine on www.tirerack.com I recall someone saying they were available through Dakota USA as well.
I put mine on my SLT and I dont have any problems with clearance. Mine are wrapped in Nitto 450's 275/50R17's. With the wheel at full lock I can slide my hand between all the way around the tire.
In the front they seem to fill the wheel wells, but in the back they still seem too small for the wheel well. Over all, I am gald I put them on my truck.
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
8/20/2001
01:55:21
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I preffer the 16" Sport wheels over the R/T's myself.
Mind you I didn't buy an R/T and don't want to look like an R/T either.
BTW I think you will find that the 16's give you better low end performance compared to 17's. If you have a 2000 Dak I realize the 16's weren't an option but after market wheels will probably be cheaper and better than stock R/T wheels anyways.
If there is anyone from Vancover BC that has 15's let me know. I may be intrested in swaping 2 16's for 2 15's. I want to see how the truck would look with slightly smaller tires on the front and larger on the back. The fact that the rim is also the same design may make it look sweet and meaner, like a dragster.
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kraw
Dodge Dakota
8/20/2001
03:26:57
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I got the R/T rims on my 98 Sport... but I still have my Sport badging (don't want to be a poser) At the time, they were the best looking rims for the Dakota. I like the 16's too, I will have them on my next truck.
oh, no rubbing etc.. only thing I did was add flares. I didn't have too and I have pics of the truck with and w/out the flares
the 17's weigh ALOT
pics on my site
krawdaddy.net
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
8/21/2001
22:08:49
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Jeffster, I think the 15" old stlye upgraded wheels look quite a bit different then the new 16"ers. I think the new 16's are great looking where the old 15's were to "bubbly" or something. The 17" wheels are $160 each retail as a mopar accessory, complete with center caps. Any fair dealer will knock 10-20% off of that to get you to about $500 for 4 of them. They used to cost a bunch more, and still do if you look them up in the catalog as replacement R/T wheels rather then mopar accessory wheels. There is no difference in the actual wheel. If you count on shipping when buying from some other online source, I'm sure you won't be able to beat your local dealer's price. I bet the 16" wheel actually cost more right now as it is considered a replacement rather then an accessory, they love to nail those insurance companies!
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CyberWolf
Dodge Dakota
8/22/2001
10:10:47
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2001 16" wheel = $365 each
I got ran off the road a couple months ago and busted a wheel.
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ILLI RT
Dodge Dakota
8/22/2001
13:09:18
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Hey Stuart how much did those Nitto 450's set you back?
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pat
Dodge Dakota
8/22/2001
21:58:40
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Keep an eye on the online auctions such as ebay,etc. I saw some on there about a week ago that had less than 1k miles on them for $300.
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Stuart
Dodge Dakota
8/23/2001
00:04:15
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ILLI RT,
Those Nitto 450's listed at Discount Tire for $160 a piece. For the set of four with road hazzard, taxes, fees, and such, they set me back $800.
They are direction tires and without the limited slip differental, I'm burning through one alot faster than the other three. Just something to think about.
I'm not sure if I would replace them with the same tire next time. I think I would like to try out a few other tires befor eI settle in on a brand.
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ILLI RT
Dodge Dakota
8/23/2001
11:11:28
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Thanks
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TEAMFAST
Dodge Dakota
8/23/2001
18:14:37
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Hey jeffster, how will the 16s give you better low end? The tire diameter a 255 is the same, only the sidewall measurement has changed,, not the overall tire diameter. Whats the deal? If you dont know, dont BS. Have a nice day.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
8/23/2001
20:02:32
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Teamfast- the 255 is the width of the tire and the 16" have the same width as the 17" do stock. The 16" are taller then the 17" overall by almost an inch which would hurt low end not help compared to the 17". The 255 means 255 milimeters wide, the series (like 55 on the 17's or 65 on the 16's) refers to the ratio of sidewall height to width. you multiply this sidewall by 2 (because there is a top and bottom of the tire) convert this to inches and add the rim width (16 or 17) or you just go out with a tape measure. My P255/55/17 stock RSA's are 28.1 inches tall according to Goodyear.
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TEAMFAST
Dodge Dakota
8/23/2001
20:11:50
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Lets look at this. 255/65 R16. The 255 is a measurement of the tire across the tread from the edge of the rim to the other edge of the rim. 255mm in this case. The 65 indicates the measurement for the sidewall of the tire as a percentage of the tread. so 65% of 255mm is 165mm. Finally the r16 indicates it is a 16 inch rim.
Now look at the setup for an r/t:
255/55 R17
again the measurement is 255mm edge to edge however the sidewall is a lower profile (55%) This is because the rim is a 17x9 on an r/t as compared to a 16x8 on a sport plus.
The tires stand the same height although the r/t is wider with a lower profile. And are probably more expensive too. How about that? Jack!
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TEAMFAST
Dodge Dakota
8/23/2001
20:25:36
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HERSBIRD> i just finished the calculations, YOU ARE RIGHT. I am humbled.
R/ts stand 28.04 inches while sport plus stands 29.2 inches.
But i can drop my truck if i ride with 7 psi.
Peace
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
8/23/2001
21:06:09
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I try not to BS Team fast. A slightly smaller wheel does help low end TQ. The R/T will launch better only because of the lower stance and the RSA's which aren't nearly as hard as my POS Eagles. I think 16's are a perfect high/low medium but don't that's just my gut feeling. I will drop my truck 2" and get some better rubber but keep my 16's. I like the wheel style as well.
Thanks.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
8/23/2001
23:54:24
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Jeffster you must be talking about wheel weight as the 16" tires are technically bigger then the 17" tires. Yes the 17" wheels are bigger and you could go to a 16" tire with a 50 or 55 series as well to achieve a smaller overall tire but from the factory the 16's are bigger then the 17's. The 17's may very well weigh more which would need more torque to get them moving but if a weight is to be taken it needs to include the tire as well as the rim. I'll tell you what, tomorrow I'll try to pull off the factory spare and weigh it wheel, tire, and all. If you could pull your factory spare and do the same we could get a better idea of how much heavier the 17's actually are.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
8/23/2001
23:57:39
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On the same lines if sombody has a 1998-2000 with the upgraded 15X8 wheels and a factory spare, it would be interesting to see if it is lighter yet. It has to be the 2wd not the 4x4 wheel to make for a good comparison.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
8/24/2001
19:44:17
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Well I get 62 pounds for the stock R/T wheel and tire. It may be give or take about 3 pounds as The best I could find was a decent bathroom scale and an old fish scale. Both came out 62 pounds (the bathroom scale lied about my 210 pounds though!). This seems pretty heavy. The old racer's thumbrule is if you drop 10 pounds of rotating weight or unsprung weight that is equal to 100 pounds of sprung weight, which is good for .1 sec in the 1/4 mile. It seems the R/T could loose 10 pounds per wheel for a gain of .4 sec in the 1/4 total.
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
8/24/2001
19:56:21
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I will try and get to weighing mine this weekend Hersbird. Perhaps there is some serious performance gained here by the Dak Sport wheels compared to those massive 17" R/T wheels. I another Dak that lost significant 1/4 mile time by putting much wider tread on the back and will revert to stock tire size.
BTW I wouldn't count the front 2 tires as sprung weight on a 2WD truck. They will be less of a factore than the rears.
Later.
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Blue Travis
Dodge Dakota
8/25/2001
00:21:36
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I think 62 is about right for a R/T rim and tire. I weighed mine and got 61. For comparison a 15x8 Dakota rim with a MT ET Street 28x11.5.x15 only weighs 45 lbs. So just by bolting the slicks on I am losing 32 lbs of sprung weight.
Blue Travis
00 IB CC R/T
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
8/26/2001
13:59:36
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You mean unsprung weight Travis. I think the front wheels weight does have the same effect as they have to be accelerated just like the backs. Even if it's not directly through the driveshaft. They are a stationary rotating object to start and need to be spun up to the same speed as the rears. Why do you think all the drag cars use those tiny 10# wheels on the front, it was p popular Mustang thing to swap out two lightweight 'donut' spairs for the front. That doesn't seem safe as they are not supposed to be driven at 55 MPH let alone 100. Those Mickey Thompsons whould help a ton, not only great rraction but a big weight loss, if you can drop 32# off the back I bet with some alloy rims off a GenII Dakota and small tires on the front you could lose another 40#. This weight loss and traction gain may be worth low 14's with no other mods on my R/T.
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Joey
Dodge Dakota
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3/05/2003
18:02:42
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so if the r/t rim and tire weigh 62 pounds, how much do u think the rim alone weighs? im trying to compare this with the 17 inch viper rims which weigh about 32 pounds without the tires.
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s.samodio
Dodge Dakota
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3/06/2003
11:20:10
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if you really want the rt rims contact
oem wheel dist. 941-921-0065. it cost me $499.
4 a set of 4 plus $80. for shipping hope this helps
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