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Jacob
Dodge Dakota
8/15/2001
13:23:06
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First off I know that no one makes a turbo kit for my truck and it would cost close to 3 grand to get one made,but thats what it costs for the supercharger kit. So my question is which one would be better and more reliable on my truck? I have a 2000 3.9L v6. I want as much performance as I can get for my money, since my truck is not near as fast for my tastes. Thanks in advance??
Plus it would be cool to have one of the only turbo daks..:)
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
8/15/2001
13:35:09
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I'm trying to put together a turbo set-up for my 4.7 right now. There are a few obstacles to clear - mainly the boost ignition retard system, but for the most part the rest of the system should be pretty straight forward. Other than either the blower or the turbo, the rest of the components are about the same. You can get by without an intercooler much easier on the supercharged version though.
As far a reliability? I wouldn't say I knew much about that for either system. I plan on being very conservative to start with. Then after I learn more about it, I will see how to make more power with it.
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kota on 20s
Dodge Dakota
8/15/2001
19:02:58
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the price of the turbo, intercooler, PCM flash, custom made headers, blow-off valve, down pipe, custom fabbed brackets to move things out of the way, and labor will cost WAY more than 3K.
for a truck that weighs about 4k pounds you need torque to move it. that is what a SC will do. imports use turbos because they are light and dont need the torque, and can afford to wait for the turbo to spool up.
go for the SC. plus if their is a problem most come with a warrenty so you can return it.
Eric
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Jacob
Dodge Dakota
8/16/2001
00:55:59
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I was just curious saw and talked to a guy with a twin turbo dak said he was running like 11s( I think), it was under a previous post BAD ASS DAKOTA i beleive. He started off with a 3.9L to. Wish I was in the 11s. I don't think it would cost more than 3 grand if you can find a good person to do it. But again I am just throwing the idea around seeing what everone has to say pro and con nothing is going to happen anytime soon
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ron
Dodge Dakota
8/16/2001
01:59:31
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I have a couple thoughts on your situation.
#1) Without being smart about it, I wonder why you don't buy something with a bigger motor in it...? I'm afraid you will go through this expense just to achieve the power you'd get stock with a 5.9 or 4.7.
#2) If we go on the assumption that you are keeping what you have, I'd be very surprised if you could get a turbo built/fabbed/installed for 3K. Exhaust mods alone will prolly cost you $500-$600. A turbo is what, $1500 for a new unit, maybe more. Can't have a turbo without an intercooler...$1000. Where are we? I may be off on those prices but I was looking at kits for my Mustang, and these are kits, not custom fabbed one-off systems, and they start at $3600 and go up from there. And Mustangs are cheap. Realize that beyond the turbo, if you want to really make some power, you have to upgrade everything else, exhaust, intake, ignition....I guess you get the picture.
#3) That having been said, Turbos make god-awful amounts of power. A nearly stock mustang with a twin turbo kit can put out nearly 500rwhp but will proceed to break just about every moving part in the process. As far as torque goes, well, I wouldn't tell any of the Buick GN guys that turbos don't make torque. I agree with you about it being cool to have one of the only turbo daks around. It was that thinking that drew me to looking at turbos in the first place. Turbos, though, generally require a lot of tuning to get them running right.
#4) Basically, don't reinvent the wheel. Get some cubic inches, then get some (relatively) cheap boost in the form of a pre manufactured readily available (comes with a warranty) supercharger kit.
It seems to me that someone that would buy a 3.9L v6 when a 5.9L v8 is available is not going to have the commitment to speed to go through all the money and heartache a custom scratch built turbo system will require.
Hope this helps in some way and good luck.
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Zaurusman
Dodge Dakota
8/16/2001
10:29:44
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Ron, it's not that simple. Jacob might break even with such a trade compared to the new parts, but anyone with much older of a truck will lose plenty of money on a new one. Take mine, a '98 RC V6 5-speed. Sales rep asked me three times if I was sure it was a '98; it's in near-perfect condition. Dealer will give me $7-8K for it trade-in. Even if it were paid off, I'd be out around $14K plus finance charges plus TT&L. No thanks! Supercharger is very good option for a lot of us V6'ers. Sure, we maybe should have bought them with the V8's, and if we want more out of our V6's we definitely would have saved $$ doing so. But the story's much different now.
Jacob, I'd suggest you get a warrantied supercharger if it's your daily.
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Zaurusman
'98 RC V6 5spd
http://www.tiborsrealm.com/Dakota/Index.htm
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ron
Dodge Dakota
8/17/2001
02:38:37
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Simply put, I agree w/ Zaurusman. If you have to keep the V6, get the supercharger.
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Rock
Dodge Dakota
8/17/2001
11:07:45
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Supercharger all the way.Don't get me wrong turbochargers are effective and all but with all the lag you get waiting for the turbine to spool up the supercharger would all ready be well near peak psi. Not to mention you can get a large amount of hp and trq with a supercharger, turbo chargers are generally focused on the top end. It all depends on what generally suits you.
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Jacob
Dodge Dakota
8/17/2001
12:04:55
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Thanks for the info guys.
Ron, if I had bought my truck it would have been a r/t all the way you can not beat cubic inches. But I am 19, dak was from my parents. I was just throwing the idea around about the turbo just because it would be cool, I knew to begin with a was most likely going to get a supercharger.
I figure with a supercharger and a nice little shot of Nitrous I will be fast enough :)
I go to college full time and my truck has to get me there and back, and a work part time so that major of a mod takes time and lots of saving of the $$$.
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Pat
Dodge Dakota
8/23/2001
11:15:00
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There is a good article in the june issue of hot rod magazine about a guy that turbocharged his 460
big block; He got twice as much torque as he did horsepower; you might want to check that out; You will definately get more horsepower out of a supercharger, but you will probably get more torque out of a turbo; As for the cost, I think you can get it done for less than 3g's if you shop around for all the parts;
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Bakerman
Dodge Dakota
8/23/2001
11:25:31
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there are ups and downs to both. As for torque, the turbo is the torque monster. as someone said, don't even get near a Buick GN or GNX guy and talk smack about a turbo not making any torque, they'll show you REALLY fast just how much torque a properly tuned turbo can make. Now, cost is an issue. The custom headers alone will probably run you $2K for a good set of stainless or the like.
SC's will give you power across the band and more hp, there are some setups out there that are proven and work, with warranty. Kinda depends on how much you want to tinker with it yourself. Both are good routes, they make different kinds of power, but you can get what you want out of each setup.
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Jeffster
Dodge Dakota
8/23/2001
21:28:52
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About getting 11's with a turbo. Sure it's possible but all the internals will also have to be reworked. You will want billet cam, cam shaft, con rod's and forged pistons with special gaskets. To run turbo's with serious boost will be very very exspensive. Forget $3,000 probably closer to $10,000 if done really properly. I would also take a SC over a turbo for a Dak. I took a look at the Stangs engine in that street legal 8.5 1/4 mile car. It was just a small block but was super charged and intercooled. It wasn't a big SC coming through the hood either but an inline one like a Vortec at 22 PSI. There were probably about $10,000 into the block alone not including the SC and intercooler. I wouldn't want to run more than 8 PSI in mine with out doing the internals. Ask Bernd if he's wrecked gaskets with boost.
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
8/24/2001
09:45:25
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Pat the 460 is a pure torque monster. It doesnt make that much hp stock. So buy putting a turbo on it will only increase what the engines already good for.
Turbos are nice and make a lot of power but for a truck i belive S/C is the way to go. The power is always there like its part of your engine. It will also increase torque and hp depending on how much boost you run.
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Jared
Dodge Dakota
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11/19/2002
17:46:29
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jacob, putting a turbo or supercharger on a v-6 would be a waste of your money. And shooting nitrous through a car that has to get you to school and work is a stupid idea. Save your money for when they come out with the new 5.7L Dakota. It is not sure that they will come out with it, but I am sure they will to replace the 5.9L. I have a dakota 5.9 and it is awsome, I am going to get turbo and intercooler so I can start going after the vettes.
Imports SUCK!!!
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BIGTYMER
Dodge Dakota
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11/19/2002
18:15:41
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Either way, your going to make hp and it's going to cost some money. But you others are WAY off on prices. Get on ebay and look at turbos. You can get a single T-66 or the like for about $800... OR you can get a pair of t03/t04's or a t-25 or t-30 for under $200 each. So turbo's are $400 and an intercooler you can get a generic for about $200. You might even go to a junkyard and find a saab or something with one and get it for under $100. As for the turbo manifolds I think you can take just a regular header and put a differnt flange and slap that badboy right on your collector. Headers can be had for about $300. The piping can all be done with exhaust pipe and fittings. Shouldn't really cost that much. Maybe $500 at the most. I'm thinking $1500 and you've got a TT dakota. Like stated though the boost can cause problems with rods/pistons and such. I'd get a variable boost controller, probably pick one up for around $250 and keep the boost 10psi or less until something happens or you build the internals then you can turn it up. As for lag... lag occurs when you strap a huge or unefficient turbo on a small motor. Yes a 1.6L honda would take forever and then some to spool up a t-70 BUT we have cubic inches. Supra's use a single turbo conversion to a t-66 all the time with not too much lag. If you're running a v-8 such as myself it will spool one of these in no time. Now a pair of t-70's and an antilag nitrous kit... now that would be VERY VERY fast. I'd say you could turn 8's.
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j
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11/19/2002
18:20:01
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do you guys know you're responding to a 15 month old post?
2000 4.7 CC auto, clear corners, Magnaflow catback, Kenne Bell s/c.
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eddie
Dodge Dakota
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8/04/2004
01:35:39
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can a person put a supercharger and a turbo kit in one single car or truck
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00 RT/BC
Dodge Dakota
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8/04/2004
11:01:09
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Yes it can be done and is really cool for making the car backfire flames but its more of an extreme racing application. It would be very expensive and crowded and IMHO not worth the time and money.
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kassrauber
Dodge Dakota
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10/17/2005
04:20:24
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i got a RS turbo and wont to put in a sc befor the turbo and when to turbo starst to bost the sc is by passed and trurned off can people e mail me some ideas or picures of this already been done. thanks
kassrauber@hotmail.com
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ummm
Dodge Dakota
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10/17/2005
19:31:18
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You do realize these were posted over a year ago right?
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Joseph Dirt
Dodge Dakota
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10/17/2005
22:26:00
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That search function really pulls them in.
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