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Mr. jefferson
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3/29/2004
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I was wondering just how quick some of the dakotas on this site are. So i can get an idea of the R/T's potintal
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ticats
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3/30/2004
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97 CC, all motor 5.2L, 44RE, 4,120 lb, 13.98 @ 99.85
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01 RT/BC
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3/30/2004
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If you are refering to a bone stock R/T you're probably looking at high 15's low 16's in the 1/4.
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Tnjones
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3/30/2004
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There is a huge ongoing debate that I'll probably stir up by saying this, but (IMO) your better off with a 4.7L than an RT. The RT is heavier and slower. The trade off is the RT has more potential if your going to do major mods that involve machine work like head porting, etc. That's primarily due to the fact the old cast iron V8's have been around longer so there's more available for them. Plus, maxed out there's no substitute for cubic inches. Stock to moderately modified, the 4.7 offers enough hp/weight advantage to make it worthwhile. If your going for all you can get, go RT.
p.s. Don't beleive the 1/4 times you see here. 95% are complete BS. Makes you wonder if they've ever seen a real drag strip let alone run on one.
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mr. jefferson
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3/30/2004
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i plan in having a highly modified truck and it is going to be an R/T. but thank for your info. and i know most of these guys either cant drive or are full of crap! i dont know why i even started this post!
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00 RT/BC
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3/30/2004
18:30:06
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Well I made my post in all honesty as far as what you can expect from a stock truck. However the RT definately has potential unfortunately dodge vehicles are on the expensive end of the market from what I've seen.
That said, every thing you drive will feel faster on the street than it is at the strip. I don't know how many times I've gone to the races (every friday at Mission Raceway in BC Canada) and seen people so upset that they've invested money and put their hopes far too high and failed to run what they'd hoped.
To tell you the truth I'm not sure why you started the post either, I always opt for the conservative approach and give myself room to succeed. Most of the racers who keep on racing will take on a more realisitic approach or they will quit racing. Always under estimate the potential of your vehicle and then be surprised when you're right or glad that it's faster than you'd hoped.
Realistically I think a time in the mid 15's to low 16's is what most weekend warriors can expect when they go to the track, so that's what I would say to you. If you are experienced and have good traction ,atmospheric conditions are good and you get a good reaction time then I think mid 15's are attainable on a regular basis. Keep in mind all trucks are not created equal so there are enough factors that I'm sure no one will know exactly what their vehicle will run until they finally give it a go.
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Dakota52318
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3/30/2004
20:12:08
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15.7@87 That was b4 I put the fan on.... Im researching a supercharger right now, and should be ordering if all goes well next week. Should put me around 14.5 or so... not bad for a 4x4.
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1992 Dodge Dakota 4X4
3.90 Gears, Long Bed
318, 46RH Auto
DT Headers, Functional RamAir Hood
K&N FIPK, Flowmaster Muffler
Custom Throttle Body
MP Computer
Viper Electric Fan
15.74@87.59 b4 fan.
4350lbs
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jdb
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3/31/2004
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I've seen several magazines test R/T's at 14.9 in the 1/4 mile. The 5.9 magnum was designed as a truck engine with a very mild cam so it makes lots of low end torque. Due to traction problems the R/T requires some finesse to run 14.9's, most magazine tests started out in the high 15's. The 5.9 is a modernized version of the old LA 360 and has the best heads ever put on a 360. The MP 360 crate motor is a 5.9 with a .508 lift cam and a 4bbl carb and it makes 380hp. There are even better heads availible and a single plain M1 intake manifold.The stock barrel intake is tuned for low end power, but can be modified also.There are headers, cams, superchargers and even stroker kits availible. have fun with your R/T.
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mr. jefferson
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3/31/2004
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jdb.. thanks for your info, can anyone tell me the stock specs for the R/Ts 360? Example: compreson, head flow,cam size lift-dur, ect..
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jdb
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compression is around 8.9 or 9.0. head flow is around 205cfm intake I don't know about exhaust, but it's supposed to be better that the old LA type head. Cam lift is about 410" lift with a very mild duration. Check out the latest Mopar peformance catalog, it should have more information and the latest parts. good luck
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miami
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4/02/2004
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my s/c r/t run a 12.9.....4.7 is not better
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r/talltheway
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4/02/2004
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Mr. J
Ive got a '99 rc r/t. Ive read many posts on this subject. About a month or so after buying my r/t I went to the track (in Michigan) and ran a 14.94@90mph stock. This was on a 60 degree day at about 750ft elevation(for all of those doubters). At the time I was not very happy about it but now Ive learned that that was a decent run! That was launching at idle after heating up the stock RSAs with O/D off. Dont worry, with a few bolt ons you will love your r/t. Mine is now running mid 13s n/a stock cam/heads/bottom end. Dont let the goons bother you!
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mr. jefferson
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4/03/2004
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thanks, our local track closed down a while back and the closest one is now 90 miles away and they only run 1/8 mile. what bolt ons did you do to get you to drop a second?
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WipLash
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4/04/2004
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I agree. I think most of the R/T's will run a low 15. Mine will. I have not ran mine since I added the headers. I want to do a PCM upgrade before I run it again.
My best time was 15.0. That was a fluke. That happened on a cool autum day last fall and all the conditions were perfect. The 3 runs prior to that one were 15.3 and 15.5 and 15.3. I know I could beat a 15.3 right now. I might even beat the 15.0 run I made.
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DakToBasics
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4/04/2004
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I posted a best of 9.412 @ 75.16 MPH in the 1/8th the other night but had a best 60ft of 2.148. How difficult is it going to be to get under 2 seconds at the 60 ft mark? I have a 94 Dakota s/b r/c, 318 automatic with various bolt ons. I can't launch in the stall because of tire spin so I'm trying slicks next time. In your experience, am I going to need traction bars or something to prevent axle wrap?
I'm gunning for 9 flat with slicks and a 52mm TB upgrade and I still havn't touched the cam or valve train.
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WipLash
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4/04/2004
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I'm partial to those gen2's. I had 3 of them. The 94 was the slowest one I owned (92,93, and 94). Now I know why. The exhaust manifolds are smaller on the 94's and up. The cam is also slightly smaller. The first 2 things I would upgrade is the exhaust and the cam. I basically have the same engine you do except for the bore and stroke (mines bigger). I dropped in a set of used JBA headers and it made a world of difference. Bottom end is the last thing I needed improving, but now I can just tap the throttle and light the tires up. Before I put the headers on I had to give it at least 3/4 throttle to light up the tires. On a good sticky surface there were times I couldn't light the tires up under full throttle. Now I can light the tires up at will and all I have to do is tap the throttle. It's FUN AS HELL!! I can't wait to get the R/T cam and M/P PCM in this thing!
To answer your question... You will definately need added traction to get a 2sec 60. I'm probably going to get me some 15" street legal M/T's and some bolt on traction bars. I might fabricate my own pinion snubber. What gears do you have? 4.11's, pinion snubber/traction bars, and slicks should do the trick.
Did you say you already had a stall convertor?
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DakToBasics
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4/04/2004
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Yes I do have a stall, 2200 brake 2500 surge!
I guess I should have been a little more specific about my bolt ons.
PowerDemon transmission with stall, 3.90 gears, Mopar Performance PCM, full MSD ignition, M1 intake, Headers, homebrew cold air induction, and 2 1/2 true duals.
Your absolutely correct about the tire spin! I have 275/60/15's and have a horrible traction problem. It is great fun on the street but a real pain in the a$$ at the track. I'm going to pick up some used slicks this afternoon, a pair of 26/11.5's and 27.5/12's. I hope the reduction in gear with the 26's will get me through the traps quicker in the 1/8th. The 28" tires I run on the street are shifting to 3rd just before the lights.
I'm worried about breaking something with the slicks! The stall hits pretty damn hard and with 11 1/2" of tire on the track, I don't think the tires are going to be the first to give!
We'll see Tuesday!!!!
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ticats
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4/04/2004
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DakToBasics ... for track traction, BFG drag radials or MT ET Street DOTs and spring clamps to take care of axle wrap ... adjustable rear gas shocks (e.g. Rancho 9000) will also help plant tires into ground on the weight transfer at the launch. My best 60' is 2.01.
ticats, burlington, ontario.
97 Dak CC Sport, 5.2L, 44RE, 4.56SG, race weight 4120 lb, 13.98 @ 99.85
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DakToBasics
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To date, the best traction modification I have made was leveling the truck. I lowered the rear 2 inches and it helped transfer greatly. I have considered going with monoleaf springs in the rear to give more suspension travel when I'm launching, but it would also render the bed of the truck useless. I would be on the bump stops with a 200LB load! I guess another option would be to use 50/50-90/10 adjustable shocks on the rear.
Has anyone tested the 100LB weight loss = a .1 gain at the track? I figure if I remove my tailgate and rear bumper it would be worth the work to lower my ET, as long as it doesn't hinder my launch!
It may sound like a lot of work for a daily driven truck, but one of the guys at my shop has an old Plymouth that has a lot of work done to it. His best was 9.042 at 77.84 the other night and he got really nervous when he saw my times. He said whenever I'm ready he'll race for pink slips! Probably a joke, but it shure would be nice to have bragging rights.
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ticats
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My experience has been that removing (used to run with a 30-35 lb bush guard as an appearance mod) or transferring weight (relocate battery) from the front will have the greatest effect on ET.
I removed my hard bed lid (about 150 lb) and it didn't affect my launch but also did not realize a 0.10 sec ET drop. When I'm with my helper (son), we remove the tailgate. When by myself, age wouldn't prevent me from removing the gate but might putting it back on :-( Anyhow, I ran my 13.98 with the gate on but down.
The drag radials (must experiment with air pressure), adjustable shocks and spring clamps have been good enough (rear weight of 1550 lb) to handle the 3000 flash stall and 4.56 gears.
ticats
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r/talltheway
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Mr. J
My '99 r/t
Mopar pcm
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ported M1 intake
JBA headers
Permacool e-fan
ASP crank pulley
Harland Sharp 1.7s
4.56 Motive gears
Transgo shift kit
battery in bed
My best run with borrowed slicks was a 13.61. Since then Ive replaced the exhaust with a complete GSM long tubes and 2 1/2" dual no cat side-exit system and have got some BFG drag radials mounted on some SLT dak 15"s. Im also thinking on getting a 3000 stall. That should be good for 13.20s or so. Good luck!
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