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Billingsdak
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11/16/2002
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I've read all the post regarding the pro's and con's about synthetic oils.
There is no reason to buy synthetic. The cheapest oil you can get will give you + 100,000 miles, if you know how to change the oil. Here in Montana, we change our own oil and our trucks run just fine for many miles...thank you.
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dcdak
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11/16/2002
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the amsoiil guy says and this is taken right from his post....... """"AND you will help "Save The Environment" by using less oil with longer change intervals.""""" by using synthetics- specifically amsoil. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP ....You want your engine to last longer and save the environment----try walking, ride a bike, use a smaller engine-less oil better MPG, combine trips, eliminate trips, DONATE THE MONEY SAVED BY USING OIL JUST AS GOOD AS AMSOIL TO GROUPS THAT ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT.
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dcdak
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11/16/2002
09:22:11
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so no one can say I took it out of context, here is the paragraph by the amsoil guy. JUST NOTICED THE WORD ""MAY"" IN CAPS. What is that supposed to mean???
#3) ... However ... By using Amsoil, you MAY notice: an increase in engine performance, better MPG and engine smoothness, longer engine life, ... AND you will help "Save The Environment" by using less oil with longer change intervals.
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11/16/2002
09:26:43
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My comments were true.
Amsoil has specific oils formulated for the following intervals:
35,000 miles (with oil analysis only)
25,000 miles
10,000 miles
7,500 miles
One misconception with Amsoil is that ALL our oils are extended drain, so the uninformed think we are a "load of crap". ALL Amsoil oils ARE NOT Extended Drain.
Further Note: Mobil introduced a 25,000 extended drain oil back in the 70's (but eventually pulled it). Further PROOF that extended drains are possible.
I have friends, family, and business associates in Europe and Africa. They laugh when I tell them Americans are still being sold the "3,000 mile oil change". They ALL are between 15,000 and 20,000 entervals. Americans are being duped into wasting money and destroying the environment.
For the Record, I live in Manhattan (NYC) and for 13 years I NEVER owned a vehicle. I do own a Lexus SUV now for business purposes.
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Please let me know if I can provide you with some REAL information.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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IntenseDak39
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11/16/2002
09:58:09
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"Americans are being duped into wasting money and destroying the environment"
i am just curious to know where my oil really is going if i turn it into an oil recycler.... because apparently you know.
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EyeTrip
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11/16/2002
10:06:14
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"I NEVER owned a vehicle"
No wonder.........nuf said.
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11/16/2002
11:14:56
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IntenseDak39,
Recycling is EXCELLENT, but WHAT of the costs and the damage to the environment to drill for oil, transport it to the refinery, refine it, ship it to the bottling and packaging plant, ship it again to the warehouses, ship it again to the retail warehouses, ship it again to the retail store, etc. etc., then some "shadetree" dumps it on the side of the road. Why not reduce consumption?
EyeTrip,
Boy-oh-boy-oh-boy,
I promised myself that I would ignore all your posts because you FLAME me every time I post. And not just FLAME, but take it into the gutter...
.....but here goes. I grew up on a farm and maintained all the farm equipment including a small fleet of pick up trucks. After graduating University I moved to NYC (Manhattan). In New York I did not need a vehicle... I walked, took the subway and the bus, and taxi's when I had a date or business meeting. For 13 years I did not own a vehicle. When I wanted to vacation I either rented a car or took a plane. Now I do on a vehicle, but only because I have to as a requirement of my 9-5 job.
My prior vehicles include: Ford Torino(used), '66 Chevy pickup (used), Dodge Van (used), Dodge Truck(used), Ford pickup(used), Trans Am(new), Pontiac Diesel(used), ((13 years no vehicle)), Jeep Wrangler(used), BMW 325 Convertible(new), Honda Del Sol (wife,new), 1999 Lexus SUV(new), 2002 Lexus SUV (new).... No Dakota's
I've never owned a Dakota, I've always been able to borrow one (see #'s 3, 4, 7, below)
Why, you might ask then, am I qualified to post on this site:
#1) Site Sponsor and Paid Advertiser
#2) Mark (site owner,friend) works with me 9-5, M-F
#3) One family members owns 1/2 Dodge Dealership in USA
#4) One family member owns Dodge/Jeep Dealership in England
#5) #4's father owns a Ferrari Dealership
#5) My cousin manages a NAPA store
#6) My brother is a certified mechanic (gas and diesel)
#7) I've driven 30+/- different Dakotas (dealer trucks)
#8) University Degree (Business Administration)
#9) I have studied and continue to study lubrication
#10) I'll think of something. LOL
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You guys can use whatever you want, 99cents-a-can (generic) from your friendly flea market if you want. I am just here to educate and to inform --- not to force you into using Amsoil.
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P.S. I left something out earlier. i was rushing to get out and drive my wife to Theatre Rehearsal.
25,000 miles interval (also perform analysis)
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As alway, thank you for your time.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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dogliftsleg
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11/16/2002
11:23:12
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and asks "25,000 miles between changes?" In my experience the blowby gases in every engine end up in the crankcase. Those gases contain acidic compounds. Unless Amsoil contains 10 lbs of calcium carbonate per quart of oil, the acid buildup alone will kill the main, crank and cam bearings in about the same milage. Of course that much calcium carbonate combined with acid compounds will foam up and cause almost all the oil in the engine to foam out.
The old saying of "Give a man enough rope and sooner or later he will hang himself" surely applies to this clown.
"If the European consumer believes in changing oil every 20,000 mi like this idiot claims, Why does my German born bred raised and been living there all his life cousin Claus say that he changes his oil every 5,000 km?" 5,000 km is roughly equal to 3,000 mi. His BMW owners manual tells him he must do this to "preserve the integrety of the engine"
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dogliftsleg
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11/16/2002
11:27:50
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and askes "Bussiness Administration? What the he!! does that have to do with Automotive/Petroleum Engineering?" The only thing that qualifies you for is snake oil salesman and telephone answerer. In the Company I work for the only guy that has a bussiness degree spends most all the day acting as a receptionist and yaks on the phone.
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dogliftsleg
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11/16/2002
11:29:11
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and askes "Bussiness Administration? What the he!! does that have to do with Automotive/Petroleum Engineering?" The only thing that qualifies you for is snake oil salesman and telephone answerer. In the Company I work for the only guy that has a bussiness degree spends most all the day acting as a receptionist and yaks on the phone.
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dogliftsleg
Dodge Dakota
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11/16/2002
11:38:00
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and askes "hey Steve you bone head you don't get knowledge by osmossis (by being in the presence of brother, cousin, friend, family member) my brother in law is a surgeon would you like me to do an appendectomy on your kid? I know how as I got the knowledge by being at family get tegethers when he was present.) you get it from actual experieance, which the only one you list as applying to the subject is salesman. I have found sale people to be in general more unknowledgeable then the average consumer is when it comes to the item that the consumer askes the salesmen for more specific information on, the salesman has to "go look it up"
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Don
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11/16/2002
12:04:19
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dogliftsleg ... and pee's on self.
The comment of 15-20 k changes for oil in Europe and elsewhere is perhaps a little high, but I own two vehicles oversesas and the recommended OEM suggestion for oil changes is 12k for one, and 15k for the other. Of course the licensing requirements are higher in Europe for engine oil than they are here in the states. We water down all of our minimum requirements so we can sell crap for $1 a quart. If the standards were the same in the US as overseas we could all change our oils at 15k mile intervals.
Also, I use Schaffers Synthetic oil (in my opinion the only oil better than Amsoil, just harder to get and more expensive for the public)in most of my vehicles. I go approx. 20k between changes, and I know engines and oil. I build race engines for a living.
Don
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11/16/2002
12:24:31
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Don, have you ever heard of LE oil AKA Lubrication Engineer oil?
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Dr. D
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11/16/2002
13:03:31
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Just wanted to let everyone know that I USE and
HIGHLY RECOMMEND to others the use of AMSOIL
Synthetic Motor Oils.
35,000 mile drain oils and two-cycle oils that
are capable of 100:1 mix ratios are nothing new
to me.
Synthetic Oils will soon be a requirement and not
an option in most (if not all) applications.
Dr. D
President of: Earth Angels Lawn Care and Mad
Duck Motorsports
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Don
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11/16/2002
13:24:36
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Yes Don,
For more than 20 years, LE has produced high performance, long-drain enterval engine oils. They deal mostly with large commercial companies (Heavy-Duty Trucking Engines, Mining, Construction) so I have not used their products. I am more than satisified with Schaffers and Amsoil. My #1 and #2 choice.
For all those questioning Schaffers and Amsoil Extended Drain Claims:
Here is what LE has to say about their own oils:
Extended oil change intervals, Longer equipment life, Reduced wear, Reduced downtime, Lower maintenance costs, Reduced repair costs, Lower used oil disposal costs, Lower fuel consumption, Reduced oil consumption - 50% to 70% less, Easier cold weather starts
Their LE oils allow for safe extended drain intervals up to 100,000 miles in over-the-road (OTR) service and 1,500 hours in off-road service (with the use of by-pass filtration).
100,000 miles between changes - can you believe that EyeTrip !? dogliftsleg !?
......... whoo whoo !?!?
The oil they offer for Passenger Cars allows for safe extended drain intervals up to 25,000 miles. Just like Schaffers and Amsoil (Can't name anyone else's oils because their additives packages are not as good and not recommended for extended drain, about 7 - 10k max for any other oils - if you push it - then the additives packages break down).
Don
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dcdak
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11/16/2002
13:41:34
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In answer to what we do with recycled oil well:
we tried to filter it, re-refine it.. neither worked due to various reasons - last word I got was they found the best solution was to filter out the particles then burn it as fuel oil then use a scrubber for the exhaust gases.
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sandman
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11/16/2002
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Their are small micro -refiners that recyle oil and sellit as re-refined. They are some that are fuy API certified and some county and states require the use of re-refined oils in their fleets. I even read some University studies on the subject on the net. I think one was performed in Texas at A&M. Ace Hard Ware used to sell re-refined oil. They o not have to label as re-refined at all. There are alot of non-API rated re-refined oils out their as well. I have a local gargage that uses used oil to fire the furance. He has to change his filtes more often but he saves a fortune in fuel oil.
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dcdak
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11/17/2002
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when i was young we used a dragster gas tank with old oil and dirty kerosene blend dripping into a furnace on a bed of coal to heat the garage.
But about re - refining, it was tough. They never knew what was in it. Engine oil, trans fluid, vegtable oil, hydro fluid, kerosene, naptha and many more and it changed batch to batch. Cabs used to run it. but it never worked. To run thru a refinery you could screw up multi-million equipment to convert back and forth. It was more for a feel good feeling for the public. It was easier to burn it.
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50
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11/17/2002
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To wrap this up for me I will end with this: I have lots of money to spend and putting the very best in my baby is where I choose to spend it. I use nothing but synthetics and that includes grease. I don't care if the motor wears out today. I will buy a new truck tomorrow and put synthetic oil in it on the way home. High tech - the only way to go.
By now.
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50
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11/17/2002
07:32:40
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Hey! Who is using my name??
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Eggman
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11/17/2002
08:16:25
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I guys i've been around amsoil products since the late 80,s and I gotta say that this stuff is good.Amsoil P.I. is probably the best fuel system cleaner made.Amsoil M.P. is hands down superior to wd 40 or any other spray lubes.As far as the oil goes,I installed the complete oiling system on a '88 chevy 1500 4x4. sold it w/ 280,000 miles plus.
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11/17/2002
09:59:00
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"50",
Don't forget...we have an "identity thief" on DodgeDakotas.com. Remember he was posting as AmsoilSponsER (see "-er"), where I am AmsoilSponsor (registered membername ending in "-or"), and he also stole and posted under my given name Steven Roark. He posted flames and vulgarities and should be banned into a AOL teen chatroom where he belongs. I won't mention his name as I must take the "high road" as a site sponsor ... but you can.
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P.S. This thread was begun "For Informational Purposes Only" ... amazing how (due to flaming) it has grown to 90+/-, with only aproximately 10 being informative. We must all ask ourselves, What are we really trying to create here...a glorified "flaming" chatroom, or a place with helpfun information and advice.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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50
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11/17/2002
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Identity thiefs are not new on this site.
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