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Randy
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5/12/2002
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What is a better oil additive like a slick 50 type lub. I want to reduce damage at startup and thought this may help. Any ideas?
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DODGEZILLA
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5/12/2002
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how many miles are on your truck? the oil additives usually help motors that are "tired" or burns oil.
I read up on the oil additives about a year or so ago, and it seems the oil additives tend to hurt the motors more than help them. i guess "slick 50" was under some investigation about their product. and correct me if im wrong, they now have to put on their ads/boxes that their claims of the products wonders are not scientifically proven.
Dupont the creators of teflon said that they couldn't see how the teflon in the additives could help the engines inside. if the teflon is supposed to coat your combustion chamber, then its going to coat everything...your oil passages, your oil filter etc. reducing the size of these and actually restricting oil flow, causing more damage than any good. The same for the gasline additives.
Funny though, now i see a dupont additive on the market. i guess they decided it wasn't so bad after all once they thought they could make money off of it.
i always felt the best thing you can do for your dak (or any vehicle) is by using the fully synthetic motor oil. it may cost more, but in my opinion is worth it.
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Be Aware
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5/12/2002
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QUAKER STATE ADS FOR SLICK 50
ARE FALSE AND MISLEADING, FTC CHARGES
The Federal Trade Commission has charged Quaker State - Slick 50, Inc., the manufacturer of Slick 50, the best-selling auto engine treatment in the U.S., with making false and unsubstantiated advertising claims. According to the FTC, ads for Slick 50 that tout tests showing improved engine performance are false and its claims of reduced engine wear are unsubstantiated.
Quaker State - Slick 50 is based in Houston, Texas. Since its 1978 introduction, Slick 50 has attracted about 30 million users world-wide. Slick 50 retails for about $18 a quart, and the company claims to have about 60% of the engine treatment market.
"Slick 50's ads claim that compared to motor oil alone, it reduces engine wear, lengthens engine life, and provides a host of other benefits. The claims sound good, but the evidence doesn't back them up,” said Jodie Bernstein, Director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection. “We believe the ads exaggerate the lack of protection motor oils provide modern engines at start-up, as well as the risk of premature engine failure. The premature engine failure Slick 50 claims to guard against is uncommon, and the company lacks reliable evidence it would be prevented by using Slick 50, in any case," she said. "In fact, all the evidence we've seen so far suggests that the best thing you can do for your car’s engine is to get an oil change performed at manufacturer recommended intervals," she said. "People who want to maximize their automobile performance and enhance its long life should read the owner's manual and follow the directions.”
Slick 50 is the most recent in a series of FTC cases challenging allegedly deceptive ad claims for oil additives or high octane fuel. “Last year, STP Corporation and its parent corporation, First Brands, paid an $888,000 civil penalty to settle FTC charges that they were making false and unsubstantiated claims for their engine treatment," Bernstein said.
According to the FTC complaint detailing the charges in this case, Slick 50 aired television and radio commercials and published brochures carrying claims such as:
"Every time you cold start your car without Slick 50 protection, metal grinds against metal in your engine...
" With each turn of the ignition you do unseen damage, because at cold start- up most of the oil is down in the pan. But Slick 50's unique chemistry bonds to engine parts. It reduces wear up to 50% for 50, 000 miles," and;
"What makes Slick 50 Automotive Engine Formula different is an advanced chemical support package designed to bond a specially activated PTFE to the metal in your engine. "
According to the FTC, these claims and others falsely represented that auto engines generally have little or no protection from wear without Slick 50. It is uncommon, however, for engines to experience premature failure caused by wear, whether they are treated with Slick 50 or not. Finally, the FTC alleges that Slick 50 neither coats engine parts with a layer of PTFE nor meets military specifications for motor oil additives.
The FTC complaint also specifically charges that Slick 50 did not have adequate substantiation for its advertising claims that, compared to motor oil alone, the product:
reduces engine wear;
reduces engine wear by more than 50%;
reduces engine wear by up to 50%;
reduces engine wear at start-up;
extends the duration of engine life;
lowers engine temperatures;
reduces toxic emissions;
increases gas mileage; and
increases horsepower.
The complaint also alleges that the company did not have adequate substantiation for its advertising claims that one treatment of Slick 50 continues to reduce wear for 50,000 miles and that it has been used in a significant number of U.S. government vehicles.
Finally, the complaint challenges ads stating that “tests prove” the engine wear claims made by Slick 50. In fact, according to the FTC complaint, tests do not prove that Slick 50 reduces engine wear at start up, or by 50%, or that one treatment reduces engine wear for 50,000 miles.
The order the FTC is seeking would prohibit misrepresentations about the benefits of using Slick 50 and require that ad claims be backed by competent and reliable evidence. In addition, if the facts are found as alleged, and issuance of a cease and desist order alone is inadequate to protect consumers, the Commission may require corrective advertising or other affirmative disclosures. It may also apply to a federal court to obtain restitution for consumers.
The complaint also names three subsidiaries: Slick 50 Management, Inc., Slick 50 Products Corp., and Slick 50 Corp.
The Commission vote to issue the complaint was 5-0.
NOTE: The Commission issues a complaint when it has "reason to believe" that the law has been or is being violated, and it appears to the Commission that a proceeding is in the public interest. The issuance of a complaint is not a finding or ruling that the respondent has violated the law. The complaint marks the beginning of a proceeding in which the allegations will be ruled upon after a formal hearing.
Copies of the complaint and an FTC brochure, "Penny Wise or Pump Fuelish" are available from the FTC's Public Reference Branch, Room 130, 6th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580; 202- 326-2222; TTY for the hearing impaired 202-326-2502. To find out the latest news as it is announced, call the FTC NewsPhone recording at 202-326-2710. FTC news releases and other materials also are available on the Internet at the FTC's World Wide Web site at: http.//www.ftc.gov
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(FTC File No. 932 3050)
(Docket No. D-9280)
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Be Aware
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5/14/2002
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ZMax takes a bullet from the FTC. Looks like the FTC takes out another one. There isn't an oil additive on the market that can do what they claim. Prolong, Slick 50, and now ZMax. The FTC has gunned down yet another one.
Stick with 100% Synthetic and NO ADDITIVES !!!
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2001dak_v8_cc
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I totally agree with 'Be Aware'. I used a few additives in my old car when it first started using a little oil (@ 145,000 miles). It went from using 1/2 a quart every 3,000 miles before the Slick 50, to using a quart every 500 miles soon afterwards.
Stay away from the crap and use a Synthetic (Castrol/Mobile 1 only).
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R/Truck
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You can add some motor honey to your 20 year old work truck to keep the oil consumption down, but don't mess with the new engines.
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Be Aware
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2001dak_v8_cc :
In regards to your last comment: #1) thank you for agreeing on my comments about additives, #2)When looking at synthetics you need to be careful if you are wanting the best true synthetic, as they are different from one another. For over 3 years Castrol has been using a hyro cracked processed 100% petroleum based oil and selling it as a synthetic (not a TRUE Synthetic). Since they have started doing that almost all other companies have followed their lead.
Mobil oil company, Amsoil, and maybe a few smaller companies are the only true chemical based synthetic oils ... 100% pure and uniform in composition.
Although the hydro cracked oils are much cleaner and better than the conventional petroleum oils ...and come close to meeting some of the qualities of a true synthetic, they are not worth paying the price that they are charging the public.
Pay now (higher price for TRUE Synthetics)...
or pay later (unless you trade in every 3 years).
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Prospector
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I have an old 1978 Dodge D-150 with a 360 V-8 and
it does not use any oil to amount to anything.
I have been using synthetic oil for years and have
no leaks, just a little normal seepage here and
there.
The old truck runs and drives great after all of
those miles!
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FYI
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5/14/2002
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To address the above and to add my thoughts
based on my research and knowledge:
Amsoil may use up to six different synthetic chemicals blended together in their final product which affords the user to benefit from it being 100% Pure and enjoy extended drain intervals.
Be careful with Mobil (I did not say avoid)...
I am certain they have a 100% TRUE Synthetic but be aware of their Tri-synthetic. Mobil in their Tri-synthetic uses three different synthetic chemicals. They are PAO, ester, and a type of hydro-cracked petroleum oil (like Castrol) all mixed together (according to the info on THEIR website), which means that the Tri-synthetic is not 100% synthetic and should not be used for extended drain intervals and does not provide maximum protection.
I do believe that they make a 100% synthetic, and they are working to develop a extended drain interval oil.(25,000 mile oil change)
Thank You
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Randy
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5/14/2002
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I just got a 99 with a 5.2 and 74000 on it. It has used regular oil till now and should probable continue to. So , I thought the additive was a good option but seeing this , I guess not. Thanks all
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Hambone
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6/19/2002
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I know this much about Slick-50.My 88 Ranger v6
would tap like hell in the morning.Slick every
other change stopped this.Now I have a 99 passat
and a 02 DakQ.Nobody on either site likes slick.
I'm so confused.
GH
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don94
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6/19/2002
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read labels and dont use slick50 or any other additive on newer engines it is not good. stick with true synthetic oil on new engines and u will be happy. just my humble opinion :)
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Tom Slick
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6/19/2002
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Changing your oil on a regular basis, and using quality oil and oil filters will keep your engine running a long time...
Do not waste your money on those additives...
Later!
Tom "Slick"
96 Dakota Sport 5.2 RC SB
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Dr. D
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6/19/2002
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One of the best things you can do for any engine is to use a high quality synthetic oil .... period !
I recommend that you use a high quality engine flush prior to doing so if the vehicle has high mileage.
Dr. D
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Shank
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7/31/2003
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Read SLICK 50's information, Main added ingredient is Parraffin, WAX!
Imagine shoving a birthday candle (Minus the Wick)into your Oil Fill cap and let the heat break it down, What's gonna happen to all that wax? It's gonna leave sludge deposits in every orifice of the engine including the Oil runners in your Main and Rod bearings. Like slowly giving your engine a heart attack by clogging the arteries. I wouldn't wanna try this, do you?
This is the way my uncle explained it to me and he has been building stock, performance, race & drag engines for almost 30 years. He has several blown engine blocks in the shop he keeps to show customers what the end results are from using Slick 50, Cheap Oil (Penzoil) Or Poor maintenance.
Sorry, I think this was almost a dead thread but I had to add my 2c
Shank
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A Granitelli
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8/01/2003
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STP The Racers Edge!
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01Motorsport
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8/01/2003
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Interesting point about the paraffin, shank. I noticed earlier in the thread about the Quaker State/ Slick50 connection. FOR YEARS, mechanics and engine builders that I also know absolutely HATE Quaker State for the paraffin. They tell me the same thing: it clogs up the motor. Makes you wonder if Jeff and Jimmy sneak something else in their race motors?
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AmsoilSponsor
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8/01/2003
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I have made many posts here (search under Slick 50, zMax, MMO, Marvel Mystery Oil) regarding the HAZARDS of using any additives. There are a few good advantages to additives ... but VERY few. It's the fact that oil chemistry is a science and many hours and lots of $$$ goes into blending oil. To think that an additive maker can come out with something that works in improving the quality of an oil without disturbing the existing oil's chemistry is definitely not thinking about the long term consequences. Chemistry clash is a good reson not to mix differant oils and/or additives to achieve your own "homebrew".
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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TimG
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"I know this much about Slick-50.My 88 Ranger v6
would tap like hell in the morning.Slick every
other change stopped this.Now I have a 99 passat
and a 02 DakQ.Nobody on either site likes slick.
I'm so confused. "
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That is, in my opinion, the problem with Slick-50 and other additives like it. Lets assume the your taping noise is a lifter thats going bad, all that the Slick 50 does is make the noise go away, your lifter problem is still there but you just cant hear it. In other words, you've cured the symptom but not the problem. Does that make sense?
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12/03/2003
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Borrowed this from a well respected site:
Pep Boys is selling "combo" packages of 4 quarts of Pennzoil and one quart of Slick 50. Why would Pennzoil soil their name with the likes of a teflon containing additive? Here is the reason ... Pennzoil bought Slick 50 a couple of years ago, and now both are owned by RDS now.
IMHO ... Pennzoil is "soiling their britches" on this marketing scheme, because Slick 50 is but one thing ... BAD!
Makes you question all of Pennzoil's products!
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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BadMoFo
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12/03/2003
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I use Slick50 on my anus when my daddy sodomizes me.
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