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Snake
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8/19/2003
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A few things I've observed about this site. #1 "Upgrading" the oil systems, oil type, spark plugs, etc will almost always lead to a better performer. #2 OEM is always the worst. #3 Opinions and comments can often be mistaken into fact just as an urban legend... "I heard about this one guy..."
My point is the general consensus is moving to good 'ole Amsoil 5w-30 in the man-tranny is a positive thing. Has anyone done research on the actual OEM fluid in the transmission? It's specifically engineered for the purpose, designed to work with the cintered bronze syncro's while providing lubrication. In my research, I found that standard engine oil with its detergents will actually break down the syncro's over time.
What stands as an even bigger question. Do you really think you'd notice the oil change if you didn't know it happened? I think many are caught in the placebo effect.
The humor in all this is reading between the lines on all the nv3500 oil discussions, it seems the OEM oil is, in the end, what people choose.
BTW - the oem oil is a synthetic based STF (syncronized transmissions fluid) on the '03s.
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Mongoose
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8/19/2003
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So what's your point?
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Snake
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8/19/2003
18:44:58
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My point is all y'all who are running the super-duper Amsoil 5w-30 could be slowly frying your transmissions, or rather just the syncro's. Who needs them anyway right..? It's more or less a question for discussion. Why is it assumed that changing the tranny oil to a brand name is better than oem? Or does one just THINK it's better because the tranny makes a different noise, or maybe a little smoother at the expense of the syncro's.
Come on guys, somebody must have a good explaination as to why they're changing the oil. I can't believe everyone is doing it only because "everyone is doing it.."
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Demon Dakota
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8/19/2003
19:37:21
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5W-30 tranny oil? WTF are you talking about dude?
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Anthony
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8/19/2003
20:05:56
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OEM is just regular 5w-30 motor oil. Which Mopar turns around and charges $12/quart, because on the label it reads "Designed or made just for the nv-3500". Now is that right??
The nv-3500 doesn't require an oil change for the life of the tranny. So why change it?? I changed it to Amsoil because it's a high quality synthetic which will cause less wear and tear on the gears plus it makes the shifts alot smoother.
And you know what? I sleep better knowing that the fluids are changed regularly. Just maybe my truck will last longer.
Now your question is just in regards to the tranny, what about the brakes?? Why not keep using Mopar rotors and pads just to replace them every 20,000 miles when they warp. Reason why, THERE ARE JUNK!!!
Bottom line OEM parts are cheap quality and expensive vs aftermarket part built better for cheaper or the same price. Which will you pick??
Anthony
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Snake
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8/20/2003
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Anthony, you summed up how I feel in regards to fluid changes. I also sleep better knowing that I've used the best quality filter or oil that I could, or switched to the best quality rear-end oil I could, etc. My whole point to starting this thread was because I looked into the tranny oil myself, because you can be sure I'm not going to go with the filled for life idea. General opinion is a like replacement is 5w-30, yes Demon it's not gear oil, but I've heard engine oil will eat the syncro's. Does anybody have any proof this isn't true!?
Btw, Anthony I really like your idea for the grill on your website. I did that to mine last weekend.
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Demon Dakota
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8/20/2003
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Well I'm in total agreement for using superior aftermarket parts for replacement parts/oils/whatever...but using 5w30 engine oil in your manual transmission as a replacement to actual transmission fluid is something that I had not heard of until this post (and believe me, I do a ton of modding on my vehicles). I'm not even certain how well that would work...but then again, I don't have a manual tranny to try it out in, so perhaps I never will.
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Snake
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8/20/2003
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Do a search for synthetic oil or nv-3500 and you'll find a bunch of threads talking about putting Amsoil 5w-30 in the tranny. I like the idea of Amsoil, but i've also read not to use motor oil, especially synthetic motor oil in the tranny. Who knows, maybe nobody here does. Guess I'll leave that part OEM.
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Anthony
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8/20/2003
19:17:43
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Guys,
The nv-3500 takes 5w-30 motor oil that's what it was designed to used. Some other manual trannys take 75w-90 gear oil. Tranny fluid (ATF) is for only automatics, transfer cases, and in some cases like our Dakotas power steering too.
Snake I know what your getting at!! Yes your right some oils do contain an additive that will eat the syncros after a shot time. The tranny than bites the dust. Amsoil doesn't have this additive to cause this problem. I can't remember the name of it, it's been awhile. But I do know what your talking about.
If your happy with what you have in your truck, I say don't worry about what other do to there's.
Anthony
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Art
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8/20/2003
20:41:50
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Only use Amsoil HDD 5-30 oil as a replacement,it is low sulphur yellow metal safe i:e Brass syncros.Like Anthony stated above lots of manual trans use motor oil,some use gear oil some even use ATF.The NV-3500 uses basically a 5-30 low sulpher engine oil made by Texaco for Mopar.I have used the Amsoil since it was 3 months old,2 years later no problems.
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Anthony
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8/20/2003
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Sulphur, that's right!! Thanks Art.
I've been using Amsoil for about 1.5 years with no problems.
Anthony
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Timberwolf
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8/21/2003
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Gear oil has no detergents in it. If the manual transmission does use motor oil, it's probably a non-detergent motor oil. It's probably those detergents that mess with the synchros. I don't know for sure because I have an auto and have never done any research on it, but it sounds like that may be the case here.
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TexasTodd
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8/21/2003
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Anthony,
your grill, what website? I'd like to see it.
and the OEM brakes, I've got just over 40,000 on my '01 Quad cab, 2x4, LSD, 4.7, 5spd, etc., etc., etc.,...
Although they were pulsating once, no more. After about a day.
I did NOTHING, they're fine now, I won't bother posting the site I used to post about this myth, it's in the archives too. If I would have taken it right in, I'd have turned them, etc. But I never did and they're fine-go figure!
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craig
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3/05/2006
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I thought I would help out my tranny with a synthetic 10w30 oil change, yes the cheap walmart brand, fullty synthetic. After a 16 hour road trip, the truck( z71 chevy) barely made it home in 4th. The trans needs a rebuild/replacement now. I personally would only recommend the factory fluid for the nv3500 after my own $1000 study on synthetic motor oil vs. the factory $10 a qqt. fluid. I hope this info helps someone avoid my mistake.
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Anthony
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3/05/2006
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That's sad Craig, that's one hell of an expensive mistake.
After all these years I'm still using Amsoil HDD 5w-30 in my nv-3500 going on 4 yrs now. So far so good!!!
Anthony
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ewraven
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3/05/2006
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You don't have to go to the dealer for the NV3500 transmission fluid.
The Penzoil Synchromesh at Auto parts stores is a direct replacement for the factory fluid. On the bottle it even has the Chrysler part number that corresponds with the one in the owners manual.
That's what I'm running in mine; I changed it at 80k miles. I don't remember how much it costs though; I'm pretty sure it is less than ten dollars a bottle.
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modain
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3/06/2006
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When I changed the fluid in my NV1500 tranny I bought the fluid from the local Dodge dealer for $9 per quart. (I tried finding the Pennzoil at 4 Autozones.) The NV1500 and NV3500 use the same fluid - three bottles cost me a whopping $29 bucks after taxation. Highly affordable.
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u_needa_brain
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3/06/2006
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craig
Where is your brain? Your problem was the words CHEAP WALMART BRAND, and STRAIGHT MOTOR OIL which does NOT include transmission friction modifiers. i use the Amsoil 5w-30 transmission fluid with absolutely no problems and it shifts better than when it was new. Go back to Wally-World and buy a brain.
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3/06/2006
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Offered as an FYI ---
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Anthony
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3/06/2006
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Hey Steve, did Amsoil just come out with this manual tranny fluid?? I don't recall ever seeing it before??
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T-bag
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3/07/2006
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LMAO anyone could just print and slap a sticker on it. It could be anything you want.
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