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4/11/2006
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well the 4.7 dakota from what ive seen and heard is that the HP and TQ ar 235hp and 330 fpds torque. my truck has proven this several times on the street and track. i had gibson headers full racing exhaust, low resistance cat, throtal body spacer, and a k&n cool air intake with a tornado air thing in it too. i estimate the power to be somewhere around 280 to 300 hp and anywhere from 350 to 380 ft p torque i have stopmed on honda civics and 1.8 eclipes w/turbo ive taken out several mustang GT's and i have already dropped a 5.7 hemi into fabricated motor mounts in my truck and the 5.7 i have now makes a hell over450hp and 450torque so i dare anyone to race me for pinx and underestimate my truck,lol



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4/11/2006
15:35:27

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Here's my .02 cnts worth. I have to agree, the Toyota is a solid truck but I looked with an open mind when I bought my Dakota. Here's what I found.
Dakota had more and nicer options. MosT VERY USaBLE on those cross country trips.
The Dakota had far more comfort again great for trips. Even 2 hour trips.
The Dakota had a far smother ride to offer. Toyotas are choppy feeling
I also liked the Dakota heater-A/C better. This was a real plus for me living in Montana.
Mine is a 99 4X4 CC with the 5.2 engine. Bought it new.This is by far the most reliable truck I ever owned. Grant you there are a lot of guys in this forum that have there share of problems. These forums attract the bad far more then the good. Not to be cutting anybody down but if you read in here enough not a day goes buy your reading about last nights race and how much rubber van be burnt off the tires. amongst other things these same guys are (AS A RULE) the ones with trany problems. Yes lots of us treat pur trucks with respect and still have the ocational trany problem but so does toyota. My automatic is as sweet as it can be. I used to be a standard trany guy all the way for years and years till I discovered how great an automatic was. I've never did any rock crawling with my dakota but I did with my prior automobiles that I built up for just that purpose. What a great advantage the automatic delivers you and your kidneys apreciate it a lot.
Anyway,You can haul more with the Dakota also.
I have driven my Dakota to the coast several times.800+ miles one way and I do this in comfort in my Dakota
I have owned 3 Toyotas in the past. Good reliable truck but the ride was a killer.
I also liked the feel of the steering in the Dakota much better. Has a real solid controled feeling.
The bottom line for YOU is simple. You got to do what you feel is the best choice for you and not for us. Either truck is a good investment in my mind.
I'll most likely get beat on by the racers but that's ok. They'll come to my side when there 25,000 dollar truck comes ungluied and there lookng at laying out another 25,000 to replace it.
Way to many young inexperianced drivers racing on the streets and argue it's ok. One of them or more is going to kill some poor person or small child rushing out into the street one day. No doubt they will reason that person or child had no business being there. Heard it all to many times in my life.Just my valued opinions here.
So many problems .... So little time



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4/11/2006
15:47:13

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Ever wonder why there are more Land Rovers in Africa than Jeeps? Well today maybe it's Toyota's. Anyway, the answer is...Parts.
So my suggestion, a variation of all the above, is to figure what you'll use the truck for and buy based on what best fills that need.
By the way, the other reason is Land Rovers are way better off road.



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4/11/2006
16:25:55

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I was looking at the original post, something like 2003. Oh well, not a bad topic. Auto-trannies are great if you take care of them. Sticks are a no brainer I am told. Toyotas are very handy to have as a vehicle. I grew up in Nothern California. Construction like persons drive Fords (heavy construction) here, built strong. For trails and baja trips the Toyota is a better vehicle. Dodge Dakotas and Rams here are most often bought for looks and cabin size. I think each one fits a 'bill.' I am looking into buying a new truck and have looked around on the net. Toyota has a good reputation in reliability, but no real options going on and kinda middle grade price range. The Ford Ranger is cheap and has options. The Dakota is a good all around truck if you got the V8, but in my experience they are high on maintenance. Personally I would go with a stick if I was to try to keep it for over 200K. You don't have to flush every 25K or whatever.



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4/12/2006
21:03:44

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Here's one for ya lol .. Just reading comsumer report, There top pick in trucks . Nisson //// Just can't keep up anymore lol


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4/12/2006
22:27:58

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Dude, Nissan is a nice truck in terms of what you get. Toyota is a little pricey and not a lot to offer for options. Reliability is their token. Ford Ranger is sweet in terms of options. They have like 5 or 6 base models and affordable on some of them. Dakotas are in a class of their own in my opinion, but lack the dependability status. If dakotas were known for their exceptional quality they would beat the comp. by far. Until then get the warranty. ;-)



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4/13/2006
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i have owned both a Toyota and my Dakota now. both have the same miles. i have replace more on the Dakota but that's only because i plan on keeping it. the Toyota was great but in need of an engine at only 150k miles. the manual on the japanese trucks are not that tough, compared to the manual in the Dakotas. my auto in my Dakota with 155k miles on it shifts damn good!! i've beat on both trucks and both survived. i will say that the Dakota will problem make it to 200k miles before anything in the drive-train gives out. the Toyota would have choked much sooner. i know 3 other people with a toyota pickup trucks that have the 22re and have had to replace the heads on them around 100k-160k miles. my Dakota has been jumped, drag raced and off-roaded daily and is still running strong at 155,000 miles so for you saying that the build quality isn't there you're wrong.



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4/13/2006
20:46:27

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Kind odd you mention the 22re failing around 150K. Is that the 4 banger engine? The V6s for early 90s had a recall as some one mentioned earlier. Their head gaskets would blow too. Wonder why no one pursued Toyota on that one. My buddies early 90s 4-cyc went out around 140K just like you mentioned.



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4/13/2006
23:00:43

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those 22re motors had a head problem and most people replaced them around that time. lot of times the timing belt would break destroying the head too. i think they didn't recall them because it happen over a 100k miles so at that point it could just be owners fault in not having the timing belt changed out at the 60k mile mark, my motor also burn 2qts of oil a day at one put right before selling it! the suspension on the toyotas were real tough back than. they had a fully boxed frame for ever on the toyota and some other japenese trucks, funny that ford was making a big deal about there new F-150s fully boxed frame, the durango also has had a fully boxed frame thats why it can tow more than a dakota. i do take the handling of the dakota over the toyota too. these dakotas handle amazingly well for there size and weight. i'm amazed no one has stated that. take mine through the canyons often and it flys through there, enough so that i got a ticket for doing 75 in a 55. :D



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4/13/2006
23:04:01

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yes, the 22re is a 4 banger. mine had a 2barrel carb most are fuel injected.



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4/15/2006
10:35:46

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I had to come down to the same decision you are making. I looked at the Dakota, Tacoma, Frontier, Ranger. Even the slightly smaller than full size Tundra

I made the decision to go with the Dakota 4.7 QC, Ive had it for a year and not 1 problem, everything is great! Cant wait for the aftermarket to catch up with the 3rd Gen Dakotas.

Reasons why I dididnt go with the Tacoma,
-Its a smaller truck,
-Cost of parts,
-If your going to do any towing the tacoma only has a V6. One of the Major reasons I didint get it is the area I live in, southwestern ontario. I went to the local Toyota dealer and they didint even have one on the lot to test drive. I asked "why not".

The dealer told me they did before buy coulden't sell the trucks. So if I wanted one I would have to order without test driving it. I did months of reasearch before giving anybody 35K, finally I ordered it from Dodge, my name on the window sticker.

Also, I did the reasearch about the resale value, and its not significantly higher than the Dakota.. and with the higher cost of parts over the life of the vehicle your going to come out the same in the end. Nissan tried to sell me on this.

The people at the Dodge/Chrysler/Jeep dealership were great, they handed me the keys to the truck (I was only 22 at the time) and said, bring it back before closing. I took the thing on a test drive, all afternoon.. brought it to all by buddies houses asking what they thought.

2005 Dodge Dakota 4.7L QC SLT Plus




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4/16/2006
15:36:54

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If you're going to keep it forever and don't care about resale flip a coin. If you ever expect to get anything out of it when it is time to sell go for the Tacoma. I love my Dakota but have never had a vehicle that has depreciated so fast.



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4/17/2006
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I was over at my friend Ricky's house. We were playing legos like we often times do. I built a lifesize ak 47 and Ricky built a really neat castle with a bridge and guard towers and everything. I told Ricky he did a really good job and that I was proud of his ingenuity. Ricky told me he didn't like my rifle, though, because he was scared of guns. I got kindof mad about that because I had spent the last hour making it. That's when I thought of a fun way to get back at him. I said, "you definitely won't like this, then!" and I started chasing him around the room with my AK making CH CH CH CH CH sounds. Ricky was yelling and crashing into everything and I was laughing because he was so scared. We circled the room a few times before Ricky ended up tripping on his bed. I thought I'd won so I jumped on the bed right after him and pointed my gun at his chest. Ricky yelled and kicked my foot out from underneath me and I ended up falling right on top of him. We were laying there, chest to chest. I looked up at Ricky and saw him looking down at me, tearing up. I joked with him, "man, you are such a wuss, dude". He told me, "well, you shouldn't mess around like that" and I saw a tear drop down his cheek. I felt his chest expanding and contracting beneath me and I knew that he was really frightened. Suddenly, I felt really sorry what I'd done and I wiped away the tear from his face. He started breathing harder and I felt his heart beating faster. I was frozen, unable to get up, even though my instincts told me to escape because of the akward feeling.

I managed to utter his name, "Ricky...". He answered me with an equally shallow voice, "wait." I felt mesmorized like I was in a dream. I gasped for breath, barely able to think or say anything. Ricky put his hand on my face and kissed me softly on the lips. I felt a rush of energy surge through my whole body, leaving me with a light-headed and strangely drawn into him. I don't know why, but I put my hand on Ricky's face and kissed him back. It felt so innocent, like we were just expressing how we felt about eachother. We had been good friends so long and I felt like I could trust Ricky with anything.

That's when things got heavy. Ricky and I started kissing more, but this time with tongues. Desire flooded through my whole body. I felt weightless as our legs begain to intertwine, his hands caressing my hair and clawing my back. This was no game; this was real and it was really happening to me. Ricky ripped off my shirt and reached down my pants to grab my penis. I felt it throbbing as each pulse of blood exploded into his tightly clenched hand. As my jaw dropped, I heard myself moaning and breathing sporatically almost as if I were hypnotized and out of control. The only thing I felt were his lips running up and down my body, with his hands caressing every part of me. Ricky flipped me over and pulled my pants down to my ankles. I looked down at my revealed penis and saw Ricky slowly extend his hand out and grab it sofly. His head lowered down while gazing into my eyes. He licked my penis sofly and circled his tongue around the head. I became lost - the only thing I felt was the energy pulsating throughout my body with such an intesity that I felt like passing out. Ricky went down on me, corkscrewing his head and wrapping his tongue around my fully erect penis in every imaginable way. It didn't take long before I felt myself cumming. I tried to tell him, but the only warning was an extended moan as I arched my back and unleashed a stream of cum onto Ricky's tongue. It was the biggest load that I've ever had. Ricky swallowed it and looked into my eyes. He said, "Ok. Now we'll do something else."

For some reason, I didn't question him at all. I just wanted to do anything that I could for him. Ricky told me to turn over and get on my knees. I did it, standing on my knees with my head up. I thought he was going to kiss me some more or something. I heard him unzip his pants behind me. He came up behind me and kissed the back of my neck. I felt his penis rubbing up against me. That's when he motioned me with his hand to lean over, leaving my butt in the air. That's also when I knew what was going to happen. I felt like saying something because I was scared, but Ricky's nurturing touch made me feel so safe that I decided to trust him. Little did I know that I was making a huge mistake. He licked his finger and slowly pushed it into my ass-hole. It was a strange sensation. I had a natural reaction to try to poop his finger out, but he just kept pushing it in further. It was actually hurting quite a bit and I think he could tell that I was in pain because of my facial expressions. He left his finger in and began to rub my back with his other hand. He talked to me in a comforting voice, "Don't worry, this will feel really great. Just give it some time and it will feel great." I tried to get into it and just relax my ass-hole. He was actually right. It did start to feel really good after a short while and I was beginning to enjoy myself. That's when he told me, "Now it's time for the big gun, baby!" I was suprised by the sudden change in mood. His voice had changed from gentle and conerning to blatantly callous. He pulled his finger out and put the tip of his penis up to my relaxed ass-hole. There was a hesitation and I was extremely nervous. I thought he would put it in slowly, but instead he jammed his penis into me with a quick thrust. Ricky bellowed out with pleasure while I practically screamed in pain. I had never seen Ricky's penis, but I could tell that he was obviously well endowed. It felt like he had shoved a cucumber up my ass and it was probably the most horrible thing I ever felt. I could feel it inside of me and my anus was rejecting it with all of it's might, but he simply kept it inside. I don't understand why, but I let him continue. He let me poop his penis out almost all the way before jamming it right back in, bellowing every time. I actually started crying, but all I could do was moan in pain every time he thrusted his huge penis back into me. This went on for a few minutes. It was probably the longest few minutes of my life. Ricky eventually got off, grabbing me by the waist and pulling with all his might to get maximal penetration for his hot load, which I felt running inside of me. After he was done bellowing he said, "Yeah baby, that's the stuff!" I turned back to see Ricky pulling out of me and he must have a good 8 inches with a width that would make it hard to fit my hand around. My ass-hole felt like it was majorly stretched out and, even today, it still is. I tried to poop last night it hurt extremely bad. There was blood in the toilet.

After that, Ricky told me to take a shower and I did. I think he saw the tears on my face, but he didn't say anything about it. I stood in the shower crying, not even bothering to wash myself off. I felt traumatized because I let Ricky do that to me. I thought I could trust him because he was my best friend. Now I don't even want to talk to him anymore. I just told him that I would leave and walked back home like that's that. We just made love and I could only say good-bye. I feel like things could have been different if he had just taken it slowly, but he had to dominate me for some reason. It's odd because he's usually a very mellow guy, but he became an aggressive animal when I let my guards down. I don't plan on talking to him again any time soon.



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